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Is it all about the Nukes? Personally, I don't buy it. There's money involved. There always is. So, what's the angle?

Is Iranian oil the goal?

Or, making sure the oil flow from Iraq is stable? At least, nothing they can't manage as a cost of doing business (a few heads here and there...).

Or are they trying to kill two birds with one stone again with "liberation, etc" and simultaneous monetary gain at the expense of tens of thousands of brown lives?

All of the above?
It's about reclaiming the support of the American people. It is about power. Americans are predictable - at the start of any conflict, we become yellow ribbon waving shitheads who fall for any platter of bullshit that is put on the table. After about five years, we realize we have been had, and the war loses support, but only after billions in armaments have been sold and lots of increasingly fascist laws have been passed, while the right wing fuckheads who take charge tell us how good tax cuts are for the wealthy Republican bastards who are making millions off of murder, theft and war crimes.

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Is it all about the Nukes? Personally, I don't buy it. There's money involved. There always is. So, what's the angle?

Is Iranian oil the goal?

Or, making sure the oil flow from Iraq is stable? At least, nothing they can't manage as a cost of doing business (a few heads here and there...).

Or are they trying to kill two birds with one stone again with "liberation, etc" and simultaneous monetary gain at the expense of tens of thousands of brown lives?

All of the above?
So Iran's actions have nothing to do with this?

You take "blame America first" to new lows.
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It's about reclaiming the support of the American people. It is about power. Americans are predictable - at the start of any conflict, we become yellow ribbon waving shitheads who fall for any platter of bullshit that is put on the table. After about five years, we realize we have been had, and the war loses support, but only after billions in armaments have been sold and lots of increasingly fascist laws have been passed, while the right wing fuckheads who take charge tell us how good tax cuts are for the wealthy Republican bastards who are making millions off of murder, theft and war crimes.

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Please explain why tax cuts for people who pay 95% of the taxes are not good for the economy.
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Please explain why tax cuts for me are not good for my economy.
You will spend the money on booze and cigarettes.
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So Iran's actions have nothing to do with this?

You take "blame America first" to new lows.
How can you restrict your thought process to mere slogans? "Blame America First" is a slogan that is intended to distract and confuse people from really examining what happened and why. While it apparently makes you feel warm and fuzzy to ape it over and over, it is not a counter point or response to the previous post. It is a slogan, intended to draw attention away from the outlook you have adopted and prevent your extreme view from being the topic of discussion. The distorted outlook "Blame America First" portrays is in contrast to the perverse perspective of "Blame anyone and everyone else first - meaning without looking at facts or assessing context of any situation" which is not too distant from the general outlook in America these days of "never owning up to being responsible for anything, and sue everybody and anybody to avoid being held personally responsible for anything you do" so we know where it comes from.
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The fact that we have surrounded them on all sides with military troops, labeled them a member of some "axis of evil", and refused to negotiate with them at any time and on any terms is irrelevant. They have no right to prosture or defend themselves -- they must submit.

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Jim, what they want to hear is shit like this:
We are winning the WOT
We care about democracy and eventually that's what drives our policies
We keep the fight with the bad guys in their land so they don't bring it here
Everyone respects us and if someone doesn't we can show them how it's done
We are always right and if a few think otherwise, well they are wrong
Iran is bad but we are good
Iran harbors terrorists like Osama and destroying Iran will help the WOT
If Iran get nukes it will use them against Israel, they said so, so it must be true
Iran will be like Iraq: a cakewalk
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So Iran's actions have nothing to do with this?

You take "blame America first" to new lows.
Not "blame America", blame the president and his administration. Any idiot can see we are provoking these responses throughout the region. Dumbshit.

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How can you restrict your thought process to mere slogans? "Blame America First" is a slogan that is intended to distract and confuse people from really examining what happened and why. While it apparently makes you feel warm and fuzzy to ape it over and over, it is not a counter point or response to the previous post. It is a slogan, intended to draw attention away from the outlook you have adopted and prevent your extreme view from being the topic of discussion. The distorted outlook "Blame America First" portrays is in contrast to the perverse perspective of "Blame anyone and everyone else first - meaning without looking at facts or assessing context of any situation" which is not too distant from the general outlook in America these days of "never owning up to being responsible for anything, and sue everybody and anybody to avoid being held personally responsible for anything you do" so we know where it comes from.
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I was being brief.

You are looking everywhere inside the US for answers, but apparently choose to ignore Iran.

Is that what passes for insight amongst libs these days?

There is a concept of "American exceptionalism" that most conservatives subscribe to, whereas liberals see things the other way around.

If these "slogans" don't cause any of you synapses to fire it is not the failing of the connotaion or denotation of the "slogan". It is your lack of education. A common liberal affliction. And oh so very ironic a trait from such a condescending lot.
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