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Distrust Bush?

This is an excellent column. Unfortunately my guess is that her last paragraph will go right on by those who should most heed it.

Distrust of Bush eclipsing real concerns about Iran
LA Daily News

02/20/2007 10:07:13 PM PST

NOBODY is listening about the situation in Iran.

Unfortunately, this is nothing new. I've stood with Iranian activists on the sidewalk outside Fox News as they tried to get media attention for their efforts to stop the Islamic Republic's stonings of women; other activists - some Iranian, some Americans who just care - tell me that they've spent all their money and waking hours promoting freedom in Iran to little avail.

Editors don't always give ink to the human-rights saga raging within the nation; producers don't give a lot of air time to the exiles who know better than anyone about the imprisonment of bloggers, executions of gays and other atrocities of the Islamic regime.

For all the dedication of these grass-roots operations committed to getting the real news out of Iran, these stories are reaching just a limited audience. Sad, but true.

It was from these and other reputable sources that months ago I got wind of Iran supplying Iraq's Shiite militias - including the goons led by Mahdi Army commander Muqtada al-Sadr, nowadays reportedly comfy in Tehran - with more sophisticated explosive devices.

The elite branch of the Revolutionary Guard suspected of calling the shots in the usage of Iranian munitions is the Quds Force. The Quds mission is specifically to work for Islamic revolution outside Iran, such as arming Bosnian Muslims.

And when it comes to Iran channeling money and weapons into Iraq, nobody's listening there, either. In fact, many have their hands pressed firmly over their ears, singing "LA-LA-LA-LA, Bush lies!"

Amazingly, the prevailing response to the recent release of this disturbing intelligence has been suspicion that the Bush administration is cooking up a juicy tale to jump into another war.

"We don't want to get into a situation where hyped intelligence leads us into another invasion and another conflict," said House Intelligence Committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas.

Last month, Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., asked Condoleezza Rice, "Is it the position of this administration that it possesses the authority to take unilateral action against Iran, in the absence of a direct threat, without congressional approval?"

Nobody has said we're going to - in fact, the Bush administration is claiming no attack is imminent until blue in the face - but political posturing demands that the Dems publicly doubt White House motivations.

"I do believe that Congress should assert itself, though, and make it very clear that there is no previous authority for the president, any president, to go into Iran," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

This immediate aversion to even the thought of force against Iran makes me nervous, because how will we react if the future threat does necessitate force in Iran? What if they're about to unleash a nuke on our interests or our allies? Will the next president of the United States be so gun-shy, so concerned with remaining popular, that he or she won't act if and when necessary?

Iran has everything to gain by coalition failure in Iran. Meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad on Saturday, Ahmadinejad lauded the continuing violence in Iraq as a sign of "increasing weakness of the U.S. and the Zionist regime," according to the Islamic Republic News Agency.

"By aggravating the diversity of opinions and by pretending sympathy with the region's nations, (the U.S.) intend(s) to show that they are trying to create stability and security while they are consolidating their own positions in the region," Ahmadinejad said in a clear instance of the pot calling the kettle black. Since taking office, the Iranian leader has shuffled representatives from Belgium to Oman to Venezuela through his office, singing the praises of greater ties with Iran and simultaneously singing the evils of the U.S. and Israel (the country that he stated should be "wiped off the map").

"As an Iranian, I would naturally oppose any form of military attacks on my homeland, but I do condemn any form of negotiations with the regime that would either prolong or further strengthen their tyrannical rule," wrote blogger Ardeshir Dolat on Sunday. "I wish those who want the West and America to negotiate with the Islamic regime would also make some reference to the suffering of the Iranian people at the hands of the regime."

And is it so much to ask Bush's detractors to put concern about Iran above their disdain for the commander in chief? Is it too much to ask people to tamp down their rhetoric and finally listen?

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If we had never invaded Iraq, how many tons of Iranian weapons would be flooding in there today?

I personally believe that a populace whose country has been invaded by a colonial occupier that used the same means as Hitler used to invade Poland has every right to defend itself from that foreign occupier, and to get weapons whereever it can to do so. Those are the laws of war. Those who pour the cup of war are destined to drink its deepest dregs.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Iran was always a more formidable foe than Iraq, and it strikes me as sheer idiocy to not recognize that they are reacting to our hostility, rather than the other way around.

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Oh come on FTL, why do yu hate mercains so much? How could you advocate that some foreigners defend what they think is their country? Did we not give it to them in the first place? I mean the Brits and the French drew all those borders up so they can call their sand dunes some names like Iraq, Kuwait and so on, now they must pay up and give us our oil. Why do you justify their resistance? Only civilized people like us have that privilege, it's in our Constitution. They ain't got no Constitution now do they? So stop defending these savages
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Actually I think she may be the one that doesn't get it. She wants folks to put aside their distain for the CiC and think about Iran and the problems of its oppressed. She needs to look at newspapers BEFORE we attacked Iraq. Many people WERE looking at Iran. Many thought Iran was the bigger problem in the region instead of Iraq. Human Rights groups have been banging the drum about Iran for 28 years. The NYT has been doing articles on the plights of their women and dissidents [maybe the reason a LA Daily News reporter did not read it].

The reason folks are so against the US going headlong against Iran is that there is NO CONFIDENCE that Bush's Best and Brightest can develop a battleplan any better than they did in Iraq. Most of the planners of that little $15B "no brainer" are still in residence. The Decider in Chief still has the critical thinking skills of a 10 year old [think Harriet Myers decision, or giving Medal of Freedom to Tenent or his actions regarding Katrina] and whatever plan hits his desk is going to be oked, whether it is from the Pentagon, Karl Rove or Halliburton.


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I am curious, what was Condi's response to Webb's question?

In reality the credibility of the CIC is critical to getting anyone to listen, and at the moment Bush has done nothing to open up his decision making process and make access to his advisors by Congress to fix it. To have so royally fucked up the Iraq events and want it to go down as a result of bad intelligence without a root cause analyis that Congress is dragged into, and just starting anew with assertions that are not backed up with lots of checked facts that are laid out logically, claiming you now know better just brings up that "Fool me once and...shame on....ah, can't get fooled again" line. We are in the "can't get fooled again" mode. It is Bush's making and his chore to undo. So far he hasn't lifted a finger. Jim
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