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Oh yeah, piece of bad luck, eh?
That's right, that why it's easy for cmith to use a roller rather than a brush to smear around. They are less than human because we are becoming conditioned to this and our politicians love it all the way to the bank.
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That's right, that why it's easy for cmith to use a roller rather than a brush to smear around. They are less than human because we are becoming conditioned to this and our politicians love it all the way to the bank.
reread my post and see where I said extremist muslims twice in reference to who I was talking about. You're not demonstrating good intelligence while you accuse me of same when you do not read what people write. I painted with a narrow brush-extremist Muslims.
BTW, the above post is a poor attempt at a joke. I realize now, you'd think i was serious suggesting we nuke 'em. I'd only nuke the real enemy.

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reread my post and see where I said extremist muslims twice in reference to who I was talking about. You're not demonstrating good intelligence while you accuse me of same when you do not read what people write. I painted with a narrow brush-extremist Muslims.
BTW, the above post is a poor attempt at a joke. I realize now, you'd think i was serious suggesting we nuke 'em. I'd only nuke the real enemy.
Forgive me, I just realized that you can do surgery with a butcher knife.
The "extremist Muslims" is becoming a cliché let's get real here. We use it to show that we know the difference between different Muslim groups yet we have demonstrated many folds that we have no clue. We have marginalized the "non-extremists" when it suited us and now we pretend that they exist? Give me a break and admit that us as Westerners are an ignorant bunch when it comes to this and we are paying the price. So rather than tackle the problem at the source we further aggravate the problem with wars that can't distinguish who is an extremist from a moderate. We eventually make them all extremists by design or stupidity. Either way, we will never solve the ME problems.
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cmitch, you keep dreaming about using that bomb. Mark my words, if that idiot occupying the white house uses nukes, this country will suffer. We can't even contain Iraq, think what it would be like to confront the entire world alone.

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Do you actually believe that the average Arab wants to get on a plane, fly to America and slit your throat while you sleep? I believe they want to live their lives as they desire, free of U.S. interference and influence, and I believe they have as much right to that as we do to live free of Arab influence here in the U.S.
"Living their lives as they desire, free of U.S. interference and influence", is pretty damned tough to do in a connected world.

Hard-line conservative leaders of the Islamic faith - the kind that breed Osama bin Ladens - could care less about America but for the fact that facets of our society are attractive to their youth...this attraction results in kids raised in Muslim societies exhibiting behaviors that mimic non-Muslim values & traditions. There appears to be a zero-tolerance policy toward this, because women who went to school beyond a certain age in Afghanistan were stoned to death. Nothing like keeping the populace malleable by way of knitting an iron blanket of ignorance in which to wrap them.

It's virtually impossible to keep "western" (e.g. non-fundamentalist Muslim) influences out of a society, because tribal cavemen like Al Qaeda are in the slimmest minority. You can equate anything not "western" with being third-world, or even more primitive (if that's possible). The few in charge want to remain in charge, for reasons that may or may not be pure. As long as influences outside their control find their way into their cultures, they're going to resent the fact that those influences are embraced by their youth, and they're going to resent the source (rather than their obvious failure at creating a world in which those influences are undesirable and irrelevant).

All of that means (in the eyes of OBL and 'Islamic Extremists' so to speak), is you and I have got to go. We're fucking it up for everybody, what with our co-ed universities and allowing more than a woman's eyeballs and the bridge of her nose to be visible and the dancing and music and permissive courts of law and divorce courts and lack of praying and tolerance for other religions and consumption of pork and, well, you get the idea.

If by no other measure, western civilization is by far the most humane and decent towards one another (despite our obvious remaining work to do). The bastions of Islam like the former Afghanistan were relentlessly oppressive by virtually any real measure...frankly, I wouldn't care except they're keen on killing us, so that means they're the ones (those who perpetuate bullshit abominations and crimes against humanity like Sharia law) that have to go.

Everyone has a currency. Everyone. As soon as we find out what's the currency of the radical/extremists/terrorists, this war will end very quickly.

I'm willing to bet that the currency isn't as fundamentally righteous as hatred of "The Great Satan"...I bet it ultimately boils down to real money, and that the current situations with regard to the insurgency is merely the last storm to be weathered. This is another reason I think the Iranian influence in the Iraq situaiton is a virtual certainty, and why I'd expect diplomatic efforts involving Persian Gulf / Arab states to bring order to Iraq would be fruitful.

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"Living their lives as they desire, free of U.S. interference and influence", is pretty damned tough to do in a connected world.

Hard-line conservative leaders of the Islamic faith - the kind that breed Osama bin Ladens - could care less about America but for the fact that facets of our society are attractive to their youth...this attraction results in kids raised in Muslim societies exhibiting behaviors that mimic non-Muslim values & traditions. There appears to be a zero-tolerance policy toward this, because women who went to school beyond a certain age in Afghanistan were stoned to death. Nothing like keeping the populace malleable by way of knitting an iron blanket of ignorance in which to wrap them.

It's virtually impossible to keep "western" (e.g. non-fundamentalist Muslim) influences out of a society, because tribal cavemen like Al Qaeda are in the slimmest minority. You can equate anything not "western" with being third-world, or even more primitive (if that's possible). The few in charge want to remain in charge, for reasons that may or may not be pure. As long as influences outside their control find their way into their cultures, they're going to resent the fact that those influences are embraced by their youth, and they're going to resent the source (rather than their obvious failure at creating a world in which those influences are undesirable and irrelevant).

All of that means (in the eyes of OBL and 'Islamic Extremists' so to speak), is you and I have got to go. We're fucking it up for everybody, what with our co-ed universities and allowing more than a woman's eyeballs and the bridge of her nose to be visible and the dancing and music and permissive courts of law and divorce courts and lack of praying and tolerance for other religions and consumption of pork and, well, you get the idea.

If by no other measure, western civilization is by far the most humane and decent towards one another (despite our obvious remaining work to do). The bastions of Islam like the former Afghanistan were relentlessly oppressive by virtually any real measure...frankly, I wouldn't care except they're keen on killing us, so that means they're the ones (those who perpetuate bullshit abominations and crimes against humanity like Sharia law) that have to go.

Everyone has a currency. Everyone. As soon as we find out what's the currency of the radical/extremists/terrorists, this war will end very quickly.

I'm willing to bet that the currency isn't as fundamentally righteous as hatred of "The Great Satan"...I bet it ultimately boils down to real money, and that this is a storm to be weathered. This is another reason I think the Iranian influence in the Iraq situaiton is a virtual certainty, and why I'd expect diplomatic efforts involving Persian Gulf / Arab states to bring order to Iraq would be fruitful.
So you are saying let's amputate that arm with a broken finger.
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So you are saying let's amputate that arm with a broken finger.


I'm saying that "live and let live" is a concept that simply does not compute with Sharia law proponents (perhaps this is an easier way to identify the terrorists/fundamentalists - kind of like the American KKK), and their demonstrated desire and ability to kill us off in clandestine (read: Chicken-Shit) methods leaves us very few viable alternatives.

I'm willing to give just about anything a chance, if it brings those whacko's back to "live and let live"...but at some point, if the terrorist activities can't be brokered to a cease-fire at least, we gotta let the spooks have a field day in the lower hemispheres and fix us some shit the good old fashioned way.
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I'm saying that "live and let live" is a concept that simply does not compute with Sharia law proponents (perhaps this is an easier way to identify the terrorists/fundamentalists - kind of like the American KKK), and their demonstrated desire and ability to kill us off in clandestine (read: Chicken-Shit) methods leaves us very few viable alternatives.

I'm willing to give just about anything a chance, if it brings those whacko's back to "live and let live"...but at some point, if the terrorist activities can't be brokered to a cease-fire at least, we gotta let the spooks have a field day in the lower hemispheres and fix us some shit the good old fashioned way.
Well start with what's dear to them:
Palestine

But that does not compute because AIPAC says otherwise:
These savages are out to get us for no reason

What do we do?
Bush ignores the road map
Elected officials become irrelevant based on how Israel dictates it
We fund the building of walls to turn refugee camps into ghettos
We attack sovereign nations just because we can
Then we cry and say:
Why do they hate us so?
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This is another reason I think the Iranian influence in the Iraq situaiton is a virtual certainty, and why I'd expect diplomatic efforts involving Persian Gulf / Arab states to bring order to Iraq would be fruitful.
It was an obvious and almost certain outcome before the invasion began. Given that fact, why in the world hasn't the Bush administration sat down at the table with Iran? The posturing here is absolutely idiotic. Severely threaten Iran, establish a military presence all around their borders, at the same time create a situation in Iraq that can only empower Iran. Then we get all indignant when Iran considers an avenue of defense, and refuse to negotiate with them at any time on any level. The folly at play here is absolutely breathtaking.

Oh, and historically, the influence we have wielded in that region has been anything but secondary in nature.

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