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Do have a clue as to the difference in the operating costs of a Gulfstream and even something as "small" as a Boeing 737? Damn man wake up!
She IS in a place of power, and as much as I hate to say it, with things as they are now, a Gulfstream is reasonable. If she can fit her family it it good for her, but that should be the limit. If it's good enough for the corporate types it should
be good enough for her.
The President and Vice Pres. don't always use the 747, but when they go somewhere the prestige is important for all of us.
and if Hastert flew coach and she got a Gulfstream you'd be screaming at the top of your lungs about how expensive a Gulfstream is to operate. It's all just empty posturing.

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As I noted earlier, I am of the opinion that all politicians should fly commercial. About ten years ago I got to sit with a CT Senator once, but gave up my seat at his request to let his staffer sit with him, flying from Hartford to Washington. So, I know they used to do it. Same with House Representatives members from CT back then.

However, if you have the costs for operating a Gulfstream G500 or G550 to compare to operating costs for a Boeing 737-300 or 400 it would be interesting to understand the differences. I believe the Gulfstream G500 and G550 have the range, but possibly not the capacity to handle the staff of the Speaker of the House, and a representative cross section of the press. I doubt any of you conservatives would be happy to see Faux News excluded from her desire to do business in the open just because there aren't enough seats on the luxury corporate jet she leased.

Actually these days I doubt many Senators and Congressment use commercial air lines. I would guess chartering a private jet is accepted practice for most Senators, Congressmen and staff. Jim
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Which party would that be? I've never endorsed or condoned corruption, and just for the record, I'm for Pelosi flying coach as well. But for you to jump all over her for this, and not respond to the horrendous corruption from the GOP I raised in counterpoint says more than your pathetic excuse that you haven't been here very long.
Your retort is what is pathetic. I did not say you "endorsed or condoned" corruption for that record. And how can I respond to the "horrendous corruption" lump ass statement, would you like to be a wee bit more specific????? I could ask the same of you, how do you not respond to the horrendous corruption of the democrat party??!!

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What was the point of all those photos? Are you suggesting there are not many, many elitist officers of companies with equally impressive salaries, homes and other conspicuous consumption icons, like Gulfstream G500's who are Republicans? Another disappointing, kind of gratuitous red meat post to the right wingers, Cuban. One step forward, two steps back. Jim
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As I noted earlier, I am of the opinion that all politicians should fly commercial. About ten years ago I got to sit with a CT Senator once, but gave up my seat at his request to let his staffer sit with him, flying from Hartford to Washington. So, I know they used to do it. Same with House Representatives members from CT back then.

However, if you have the costs for operating a Gulfstream G500 or G550 to compare to operating costs for a Boeing 737-300 or 400 it would be interesting to understand the differences. I believe the Gulfstream G500 and G550 have the range, but possibly not the capacity to handle the staff of the Speaker of the House, and a representative cross section of the press. I doubt any of you conservatives would be happy to see Faux News excluded from her desire to do business in the open just because there aren't enough seats on the luxury corporate jet she leased.

Actually these days I doubt many Senators and Congressment use commercial air lines. I would guess chartering a private jet is accepted practice for most Senators, Congressmen and staff. Jim
Private jets like the one you mentioned can cost between $3,500 and $5,000 per flight hour to operate. Those are real costs, not fluffy 'man-hour' backwards math crap, and assume that you own the plane. Doesn't take a lot of private cross-country flights to start making commercial look viable. At even $1,000 per ticket to fly commercial (nobody pays that kind of money to fly anymore), you better be able to stuff more than 10 people on the plane each trip to justify the costs. Most private jets aren't designed to accommodate very much luggage for that many people...meaning pack light.

That said, there are probably quite a few people in congress who can afford to pay their own way. Certainly nobody begrudges that. It's the position that she's entitled to the Air Force as her personal trans-continental valet that is galling. How the hell can you expect the common, working man to relate to you when you're arguing for use of taxpayer-funded aircraft to usher your family about?

I have the feeling that these types of expenditures and perks are some of the dirty little Capitol Hill secrets that our congresspeople are happy to keep on the QT.
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What was the point of all those photos? Are you suggesting there are not many, many elitist officers of companies with equally impressive salaries, homes and other conspicuous consumption icons, like Gulfstream G500's who are Republicans? Another disappointing, kind of gratuitous red meat post to the right wingers, Cuban. One step forward, two steps back. Jim
Maybe, but I'm willing to bet none of them are as stupid or as famous as the ones whose pictures I was able to gather in about 45 seconds of Google-Fu.
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This request, from a person in her position, is unprecedented. It seems 'unethical' to leverage one's newfound stature to obtain perks not normally associated to their position, as a form of entitlement no less - openly or otherwise. An ethical person would ensure they avoid bringing upon themselves the appearence of impropriety, and would certainly seek no privilege not offered them.
Well, how does one determine what perks are normally associated with one's position? Is flying around the country something that was allocated by the Constitution? How about internet service? Or those giant freaking staffs these people employ? I would venture that the men who wrote the Constitution didn't even figure these bozos should have a horse to ride around town that was provided by the federal governement. Yet they have government provided limos, drivers, and so forth. I think they get these perks by asking, and it has been part of Congress's history to ask for new items when they become available. Like Blackberry's and Bluetooth crap. When did having that stuff become "normally associated" with the positions of those who have them in the federal government? While I stated I think they should be flying commercial, I find asking and making a case for the request out in the open not at all offensive. In the end it may just be the need for the Speaker of the House to remain available for classified meetings in support of national security that is the issue. I can imagine how upset you would be if she was reported to be discussing sensitive national security issues in coach on a 777 with 500 other random people around her, on one of those "airfones" which are probably very secure as well. Jim
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Maybe, but I'm willing to bet none of them are as stupid or as famous as the ones whose pictures I was able to gather in about 45 seconds of Google-Fu.
Sounds like you might enjoy starting your own thread dedicated to showing us as many of these stupid and famous people you can find over the next few days. Why not do that? I am sure some others here would find it as stimulating as you do. Jim
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Of course, if you don't have more money than them, it kinda takes the steam out of it...

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That's an awful long row to hoe...the point (unrefuted, thank you) was that it's pretty easy to find very prominent Democrat elitists - people who aren't particularly educated, aren't particularly smart, and who obtained their fame doing or are primarily known for doing something other than politics. With that prism, it's far easier to find Democrats than Republicans. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not...so sue me.
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