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I"m not sure if you are just pretending to be slow or not, but it follows that if the military takes direction from the Federal government, and the Federal government is "for, by and of the people", then the military should be at the command of the people (indirectly of course). Did you miss this or willfully ignore it?
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I"m not sure if you are just pretending to be slow or not, but it follows that if the military takes direction from the Federal government, and the Federal government is "for, by and of the people", then the military should be at the command of the people (indirectly of course). Did you miss this or willfully ignore it?
Read what you wrote and tell me I'm wrong again. It would appear that you are the one that is a bit slow on the uptake.
Why do you think there is such a thing as the Second Amendment?

"it follows that if the military takes direction from the Federal government,"

You may recall (but I doubt it) that during the Clinton administration the rank and file of the military were asked if they would take orders to hold weapons on the civilian population of the United States. Most answered no, to their credit. The point I'm making should be fairly obvious, even to you. If you think that YOU are even indirectly in command of the military, you are delusional.
Here's a quote from Thomas Jefferson, he understood the problem a bit better then you apparently do:

The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
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Like I said to FoTL tell a Soldier to do something, and see what happens...........
The Government controls the military, you do not, either directly or indirectly. If that isn't clear enough, then ask yourself, why are we in Iraq?

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Bruce R: all sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Unlike youself of course...................................

"Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon, the pigeon knocks over all the pieces, on the board and then struts around like it won the game."
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Read what you wrote and tell me I'm wrong again. It would appear that you are the one that is a bit slow on the uptake.
Why do you think there is such a thing as the Second Amendment?

"it follows that if the military takes direction from the Federal government,"

You may recall (but I doubt it) that during the Clinton administration the rank and file of the military were asked if they would take orders to hold weapons on the civilian population of the United States. Most answered no, to their credit. The point I'm making should be fairly obvious, even to you. If you think that YOU are even indirectly in command of the military, you are delusional.
Here's a quote from Thomas Jefferson, he understood the problem a bit better then you apparently do:

The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
(Thomas Jefferson)


Like I said to FoTL tell a Soldier to do something, and see what happens...........
The Government controls the military, you do not, either directly or indirectly. If that isn't clear enough, then ask yourself, why are we in Iraq?
You really do not get what the connection was there huh?

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You really do not get what the connection was there huh?
The only connection that I'm aware of is the short circuit between your ears............
The Federal Government controls the Military, not YOU, and certainly not "We the people". "We the people" lost control of the government just around the middle of WW II, and haven't managed to pull our collective heads out of our butts long enough to regain control of squat, and that's the way they like it.
We need to either vote out or wait until the deadwood dies off in the Senate and House, and then somehow FORCE the beggars in Congress to vote in term limits. Guys like Byrd and Kennedy among MANY others have become so entrenched and partisan that they don't care about what anybody thinks or says, THEY are the Government, and are above the law.

"Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon, the pigeon knocks over all the pieces, on the board and then struts around like it won the game."
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So they do not face the voters in their states in elections? Last time I was in Massachusetts, I met a lot of Democrats. Are you saying someone else other than them elected Kennedy, like perhaps the little green men flying around your room when you don't wear your little tin foil hat?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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So they do not face the voters in their states in elections? Last time I was in Massachusetts, I met a lot of Democrats. Are you saying someone else other than them elected Kennedy, like perhaps the little green men flying around your room when you don't wear your little tin foil hat?
So just because the people in Mass vote for deadwood, that makes it the proper thing to do? That Senator has what they call seniority, and it means far more then it should. It allows a fat old drunk to bring far to much money into that
State and not necessarily to the benefit of the other States that may need it far more.
Byrd of West Virginia is another good example of that. He mandated that AMTRAK run a 7 car train to somewhere in W.V. only to have a train go there. The train carried an average of 7 passengers per trip. Think that's worth it?
There are no doubt equal Republican examples that are similar, and that's not right either.
As far as the little green men and the tin foil hat are concerned, I think most folks on this board will agree, that is really your bailiwick.

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The only connection that I'm aware of is the short circuit between your ears............
The Federal Government controls the Military, not YOU, and certainly not "We the people". "We the people" lost control of the government just around the middle of WW II, and haven't managed to pull our collective heads out of our butts long enough to regain control of squat, and that's the way they like it.
We need to either vote out or wait until the deadwood dies off in the Senate and House, and then somehow FORCE the beggars in Congress to vote in term limits. Guys like Byrd and Kennedy among MANY others have become so entrenched and partisan that they don't care about what anybody thinks or says, THEY are the Government, and are above the law.
What don't you get about a democratic system of government? You understand that we elect our leaders, right? And the military is under the command of our elected leaders. You get where I am going with this? Where did you get this idiotic idea that the military has to listen directly to any and all civilians?

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