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Well OK, but who gets to be the Grand Wizard?

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Well OK, but who gets to be the Grand Wizard?
I am certain you can do better than that.
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Yes, anyone could rise above the level of bigotry demonstrated here.

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Yes, anyone could rise above the level of bigotry demonstrated here.
So, if I understand you, one should never consider any group, regardless of their assault on the free world, to be of questionable character. Unusual concept.

Do you realize they want Ron and all of his family, friends DEAD....you are an infidel, and you, Ron, never hurt anyone.
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Australians should be held accountable for the slaughter of the American Indians, right? After all, they're white and they speak English.

After we round up all the brown people, who's next -- red, yellow, black? It's your call...

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Australians should be held accountable for the slaughter of the American Indians, right? After all, they're white and they speak English.

After we round up all the brown people, who's next -- red, yellow, black? It's your call...
How can you equate a "Jihad" to the above?

Certainly all decent people want peace on earth, however when a group simply wants to wipe the earth clean of all but themselves do you find it wise to do nothing?

Can you give me an example of todays terror, worldwide, in history? Crusades? Maybe close.
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I believe our basic disagreement is in regard to the size and scope of this alleged "group". I do not hold all brown people responsible for the actions of a few brown individuals. By the same token, I do not hold all Anglo Americans responsible for the actions of Timothy McVeigh.

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I believe our basic disagreement is in regard to the size and scope of this alleged "group". I do not hold all brown people responsible for the actions of a few brown individuals. By the same token, I do not hold all Anglo Americans responsible for the actions of Timothy McVeigh.
This is not "alleged", as these extremists are often proud to take credit for their actions. Also, did you forget the dancing in the street after 9/11?

I do agree that an entire group cannot be held responsible for the actions of relatively few. I do not feel it is in our best interest, or any of the free world, to turn our heads away from terrorist harboring nations. There is no easy answer, but it sickens me to see "smart" people turn on our country and/or its leadership.

Time will tell what the democrats will do on this one. Both parties have had their share of poor moves, so what.

I felt a need to start this thread with its history of terror to see the reactions and ideas....did you see the nonsense that many spewed.....yeah I'm some sort of nazi ......many here need a check up from the neck up.
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I do agree that an entire group cannot be held responsible for the actions of relatively few. I do not feel it is in our best interest, or any of the free world, to turn our heads away from terrorist harboring nations. There is no easy answer, but it sickens me to see "smart" people turn on our country and/or its leadership.
The problem is that the Bush administration whipped up a pack of lies in order to feed a frenzy of revenge in regard to invading and occupying a nation that did not harbor terrorists or represent any threat whatsoever to the U.S. Yes, Saddam was offering Palestinian terrorists a $25K stipend, but let's not pretend that has anything to do with anything outside of Israel. There are absolutely serious threats in the ME, but our presence in Iraq has done nothing but fan the flames and impede our ability to deal with them. That is why truckloads of people have turned on our leadership -- because they have turned on us.

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The problem is that the Bush administration whipped up a pack of lies in order to feed a frenzy of revenge in regard to invading and occupying a nation that did not harbor terrorists or represent any threat whatsoever to the U.S. Yes, Saddam was offering Palestinian terrorists a $25K stipend, but let's not pretend that has anything to do with anything outside of Israel. There are absolutely serious threats in the ME, but our presence in Iraq has done nothing but fan the flames and impede our ability to deal with them. That is why truckloads of people have turned on our leadership -- because they have turned on us.
We have heard war for oil, save the Kurds, terrorist training camps, the $$ for suicide bombers.....what else, sift out the BS, right....through our honest media. Yes, no doubt we are fanning the flames, all pre-war actions have failed, sanctions etc., can we allow empty threats to translate to weakness?

Lets cut to the quick....religion can, and often is, the most dangerous "cocktail" ever, and the ME is where it all started.
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