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The other problem I have is that the scientists cant even agree as to why we (the earth)have these 'cycles' of cold and warm periods on earth. They have ideas but nothing concrete, yet they can say with certainty that humans have caused irrepairable harm to our atmosphere and that we are most definity the cause of the current warming. hmmphh!!!
Back in the sixties, before Global Warming was considered an issue my Earth Science book described the Earth as an engine. That helps describe how the "pump" works on a daily basis and how an out of tune engine can act up.

As for the "cycles" Earth Science books of the Sixties pretty much explained that. It would take 10 posts to explain but find a good Earth Science book, written before the political hooks got into them [ or better, World Book 1968 or Encyclopedia Britannica, Eleventh Edition]. Those will give you information that is not tainted with any of the current climate change debates.

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Although I may (well most usually ) disagree with your political stance, I think what you posted above is how we should progress as mankind on this earth. I just dont believe we are the entire cause. But what you posted is well stated.

We are, without question, NOT the entire cause of climate changes. Humankind and our Industries are just the only variables that have been introduced into the environment that have a measurable exacerbating effect. They are also the only ones for which we have any control to modify in order to lessen the effects caused by their introduction.

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They can't? The warming and cooling of the earth is pretty well understood, when dealing with the historical record.
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All we know is that there WAS warming and cooling, we don't have a clue as to why............ We don't know that warming caused the "excess" CO2 or if the reverse is true.
You really have to get that shit straight before you swing off on another tangent. More and more scientists are jumping OFF of the bandwagon of this Global Warming crap all the time.
From the last data I have heard, man produces less then 4% of all the CO2, wonder where all the rest comes from?

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All we know is that there WAS warming and cooling, we don't have a clue as to why............ We don't know that warming caused the "excess" CO2 or if the reverse is true.
You really have to get that shit straight before you swing off on another tangent. More and more scientists are jumping OFF of the bandwagon of this Global Warming crap all the time.
From the last data I have heard, man produces less then 4% of all the CO2, wonder where all the rest comes from?
Wrong. There is more than a clue, you are just spouting more rhetoric. Prove that "more and more" statement. And the 4%, if correct, seems to be enough to upset the balance, so it's irrelevant what the absolute number is, and in fact 4% is a very large amount. I thought the human contribution was insignificant?

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GOP’s Hagel calls Bush impeachment an option
Republican senator blasts president’s go-it-alone stance on Iraq policy

Updated: 3:32 p.m. CT March 25, 2007
WASHINGTON - With his go-it-alone approach on Iraq, President Bush is flouting Congress and the public, so angering lawmakers that some consider impeachment an option over his war policy, a senator from Bush’s own party said Sunday.

Meanwhile, the Senate’s No. 2 Republican leader harshly criticized House Democrats for setting an “artificial date” for withdrawing troops from Iraq and said he believes Republicans have enough votes to prevent passage of a similar bill in the Senate.

“We need to put that kind of decision in the hands of our commanders who are there on the ground with the men and women,” said Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss. “For Congress to impose an artificial date of any kind is totally irresponsible.”

GOP Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a frequent critic of the war, stopped short of calling for Bush’s impeachment. But he made clear that some lawmakers viewed that as an option should Bush choose to push ahead despite public sentiment against the war.

“Any president who says, I don’t care, or I will not respond to what the people of this country are saying about Iraq or anything else, or I don’t care what the Congress does, I am going to proceed — if a president really believes that, then there are — what I was pointing out, there are ways to deal with that,” said

Hagel, who is considering a 2008 presidential run.
The White House had no immediate reaction Sunday to Hagel’s comments.

The Senate planned to begin debate Monday on a war spending bill that would set a nonbinding goal of March 31, 2008, for the removal of combat troops.

That comes after the House narrowly passed a bill Friday that would pay for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan this year but would require that combat troops come home from Iraq before September 2008 — or earlier if the Iraqi government did not meet certain requirements.

On Sunday, Hagel said he was bothered by Bush’s apparent disregard of congressional sentiment on Iraq, such as his decision to send additional troops. He said lawmakers now stood ready to stand up to the president when necessary.

In the April edition of Esquire magazine, Hagel described Bush as someone who doesn’t believe he’s accountable to anyone. “He’s not accountable anymore, which isn’t totally true. You can impeach him, and before this is over, you might see calls for his impeachment. I don’t know. It depends on how this goes,” Hagel told the magazine.

‘Artificial timetables ... are a problem’
In his weekly address Saturday, Bush accused Democrats of partisanship in the House vote and said it would cut the number of troops below a level that U.S. military commanders say they need. Vice President Dick Cheney also accused Democrats of undermining U.S. troops in Iraq and of sending a message to terrorists that America will retreat in the face danger.

“We have clearly a situation where the president has lost the confidence of the American people in his war effort,” Hagel said. “It is now time, going into the fifth year of that effort, for the Congress to step forward and be part of setting some boundaries and some conditions as to our involvement.”

“This is not a monarchy,” he added, referring to the possibility that some lawmakers may seek impeachment. “There are ways to deal with it. And I would hope the president understands that.”

Lott said setting withdrawal dates is a futile and potentially dangerous exercise because Bush has made clear he will veto any such legislation.

“There are members in the Senate in both parties that are not comfortable with how things have gone in Iraq,” Lott said. “But they understand that artificial timetables, even as goals, are a problem. ...We will try to take out the arbitrary dates.”

‘Time for the Senate to weigh in’
Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., said the Senate bill seeks to heed the recommendations of the bipartisan Iraq Study Group by setting a goal of withdrawing some troops while leaving others behind to train the Iraqi army for border patrol and other missions.

“That, combined with a very aggressive, diplomatic effort in the region is what we’re going to need to have,” he said.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said she believed that setting a timetable was appropriate but declined to predict whether it would garner enough Senate votes to pass.

“People of this country have spoken overwhelmingly. It’s been constant now,” Feinstein said. “They want us out. It is time for the Senate to weigh in. I hope we will have the votes.”

Hagel spoke on ABC’s “This Week,” Feinstein and Lott appeared on “Fox News Sunday,” and Nelson was on CNN’s “Late Edition.”
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The magic number for the end of the Iraq War and final end of Bushism is 60. Up until this point, the Democrats have only 53 votes in the Senate to end the war. Today Richard Lugar, one of the most respected and most senior senators in the Senate indicated he is now joing this block. He was quickly joined by his close ally Voinivich of Ohio. Most ominous for Bush is the applause he won from Sen John Warner, who, although he did not come right out in direct support of a withdrawl from Iraq, stated he was deeply troubled by the "surge" strategy and is also in the process of rethinking Iraq. Many think if Warner caves, the war is over, because he will be quickly followed by Sununu of NH, Olympis Snow of Maine, Martinez of Florida and Jeff Sessions of Alabama. The people of this country will finally have it's democracy back, and the American Fascist Age will come to an end.



Sen. Lugar: Bush's Iraq Strategy Is Not Working
Tuesday, June 26, 2007


WASHINGTON — Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., a senior Republican and a reliable vote for President Bush on the war, said Monday that Bush's Iraq strategy was not working and that the U.S. should downsize the military's role.

The unusually blunt assessment deals a political blow to Bush, who has relied heavily on GOP support to stave off anti-war legislation.

It also comes as a surprise. Most Republicans have said they were willing to wait until September to see if Bush's recently ordered troop buildup in Iraq was working.

"In my judgment, the costs and risks of continuing down the current path outweigh the potential benefits that might be achieved," Lugar, R-Ind., said in a Senate floor speech. "Persisting indefinitely with the surge strategy will delay policy adjustments that have a better chance of protecting our vital interests over the long term."

Only a few Republicans have broken ranks and called for a change in course or embraced Democratic proposals ordering troops home by a certain date. As the top Republican and former chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Lugar's critique could provide political cover for more Republicans wanting to challenge Bush on the war.

Lugar's spokesman Andy Fisher said the senator wanted to express his concerns publicly before Bush reviews his Iraq strategy in September.

"They've known his position on this for quite a while," Fisher said of the White House.

However, Fisher said the speech does not mean Lugar would switch his vote on the war or embrace Democratic measures setting a deadline for troop withdrawals.

In January, Lugar voted against a resolution opposing the troop buildup, contending that the nonbinding measure would have no practical effect. In spring, he voted against a Democratic bill that would have triggered troop withdrawals by Oct. 1 with the goal of completing the pull out in six months.

Next month, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., plans to force votes on several anti-war proposals as amendments to a 2008 defense policy bill. Members will decide whether to cut off money for combat, demand troop withdrawals start in four months, restrict the length of combat tours and rescind Congress' 2002 authorization of Iraqi invasion.

Expected to fall short of the 60 votes needed in the Senate to pass controversial legislation, the proposals are intended to increase pressure on Bush and play up to voters frustrated with the war.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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