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Well, I bet we could have successfully solicited sincere and unlimited help from Saddam if we had tried. Look how much Iran is helping us with this misadventure in Iraq!j

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Saddam would have been an ally against Iran. The stupidity here is breathtaking. There is a large faction that has been in control of the Iranian government since the 1970's that are nothing more than the Shiite version of Osama's Wahhabism. When they call us "The Great Satan", they mean it, and going to war with Satan ensures their martyrdom/ Their hatred for us is unlimited. Soon they will have missles to go with their nukes. These people are not a bunch of desert camp dwellers, this is an industrially sophisticated country capable of being as much a threat to us as the Japanese were. This country should simply not be allowed to possess nuclear weapons until it becomes rational. I just don't get you Bot, you want war with countries that are not a threat, and question a real country with WMDs that really is "a gathering danger". The insanity of the right in this country is astounding.

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Saddam would never be an ally of the Unted States. The best he could hope for from us was what he got: Mild support in his murderous war with a nation for which we had even greater enmity: Iran. When he was no longer useful to our aims we dropped even that limited support.

Of the two, Saddam was the greater threat because he threatened invasion of his neighbors and unlike Iran, carried it out. He directly threatened the Arab oil states after they failed to lend him support against the Persians. We could do without either Iran or Iraq or both of them, but we cannot survive without the other oil states if Iran and/or Iraq are both closed to us.

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Saddam would never be an ally of the Unted States. The best he could hope for from us was what he got: Mild support in his murderous war with a nation for which we had even greater enmity: Iran. When he was no longer useful to our aims we dropped even that limited support.

Of the two, Saddam was the greater threat because he threatened invasion of his neighbors and unlike Iran, carried it out. He directly threatened the Arab oil states after they failed to lend him support against the Persians. We could do without either Iran or Iraq or both of them, but we cannot survive without the other oil states if Iran and/or Iraq are both closed to us.

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Of the two, Saddam was the greater threat because he threatened invasion of his neighbors and unlike Iran, carried it out. He directly threatened the Arab oil states after they failed to lend him support against the Persians.

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Yeah, once upon a time. At the time of our invasion, Iraq's neighbors were more than just unconcerned about this so-called "threat"....

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Saddam would never be an ally of the Unted States. The best he could hope for from us was what he got: Mild support in his murderous war with a nation for which we had even greater enmity: Iran. When he was no longer useful to our aims we dropped even that limited support.

Of the two, Saddam was the greater threat because he threatened invasion of his neighbors and unlike Iran, carried it out. He directly threatened the Arab oil states after they failed to lend him support against the Persians. We could do without either Iran or Iraq or both of them, but we cannot survive without the other oil states if Iran and/or Iraq are both closed to us.

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Bot, this only makes sense if you are really Bush posting here and you are insanely pissed at Saddam for possibly being behind an assasination attempt on your father. Or you have some other personal reason to hate Saddam intensely.

While my point was not entirely serious, Saddam was a man run by principles much closer to those that run the hearts and soles of those in the White House now, and most of American industry than those in power in Iran today. It is the grasp of power that motivated Saddam, just like the soul-less Nazis in the White House today, and their counterparts throughout industry - the Ken Lays and other creeps who have been caught are no more than the tip of the iceberg buddy. Making a deal with Saddam was no more than a negotiation away if it meant doing away with the constant threat to his hold on power in the region. To suggest one could not negotiate with someone with that obvious and big a vice on their gonads is just being contrary. Jim
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We should have invaded Iran instead of Iraq. We, or the Israelis, or the Iranian people actually, will pay a terrible price for not doing so. Sooner or later this country will have to find a leader willing to fight a real war with our real enemy.
Oh yeah, FTL.

I am sure we could have counted you as an ally if we had invaded Iran.

Give us a break.

We could simply replace every Q with an N and your posts would be exactly the same.
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Bot, this only makes sense if you are really Bush posting here and you are insanely pissed at Saddam for possibly being behind an assasination attempt on your father. Or you have some other personal reason to hate Saddam intensely.

While my point was not entirely serious, Saddam was a man run by principles much closer to those that run the hearts and soles of those in the White House now, and most of American industry than those in power in Iran today. It is the grasp of power that motivated Saddam, just like the soul-less Nazis in the White House today, and their counterparts throughout industry - the Ken Lays and other creeps who have been caught are no more than the tip of the iceberg buddy. Making a deal with Saddam was no more than a negotiation away if it meant doing away with the constant threat to his hold on power in the region. To suggest one could not negotiate with someone with that obvious and big a vice on their gonads is just being contrary. Jim
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Saddam was a bloody bastard and murderer with no principles at all.

Offering $25K for the suicide bombers?

However, he died quite decently, I must admit.

He did not believe US was actually serious about invasion until it had happened, he would never be on our side.
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He did not believe US was actually serious about invasion until it had happened, he would never be on our side.
He was no more or less than what we made him. It's hard to blame the guy for being royally pissed at the U.S., after having sought and received U.S. permission to invade Kuwait, then being attacked for that very thing..... I mean the guy was an asshole, but he was our asshole.

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