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A lot of them did get fired. But I will maintain what I have always maintained: this was a case of fraud. Those who needed to make a decision were told Saddam was producing nuclear weapons for use on the United States. Dick Armey, no friend to the Democrats, has gone public with that assertion. He stated most of the Congress had no intention to grant war powers to Bush until the phony evidence of nukes was presented - this is why the Plame case rankled these guys so much. The aluminum tube story is the one that is going to get these fuckers impeached. They claimed solid, irrefutable evidence of things that were not solid and irrefutable, their iclaim was that drone aircraft would be delivering atom bombs to America. They lied. I cannot see how a Congressman would be culpable in that case, from either party. Dick Armey says as much. It's all right here in black and white, ex-House Majority Leader, arch-conservative:

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I agree they were misled, but I am appalled that they were so readily misled. On so many things. Over and over. The job of the Congress is to be involved, not hand their powers over to the President, regardless of which party he is from. The Congress at the time was useless. No debate, no hearings, no serious questions, just bobbing heads.

Sending troops over was a decision made solely by "The Decider" though and anyone that supposes granting authorization to send troops to invade Iraq under a set of specific conditions, one of which was that all other diplomatic initiatives had failed and there was imminent danger from Saddam's WMDs to the United States, means you share the same responsibility as the Decider is getting a bit loose in the logic department. Now, I believe Congress had the responsibility to review GWB's case that all other means had failed and the invasion was truly the only way to protect Americans from imminent danger from those nasty WMD Saddam had ready to send, via his deep pockets and connections to Al-Qaeda, to harm America. But, for some reason they let him just make a speech or something. Because they were gutless shitbirds. The entire lot of them. That they seem to have found where in the Constitution their responsibilities are enunciated since is positive. But it doesn't excuse their abdication of responsibility before. It seems like they just made it too easy for Bush and the Posse to mislead them, and for that I can not just look the other way now.

Yeah, Bush is worse for doing it, but they are guilty for letting him. Jim
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Aw, poor, innocent Bush, he thought he taw a putty cat.
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It is absolutely devastating. If what is alleged in this book is true, impeachment must happen. They assert the same thing Frank Rich did, that the whole Iraq War scheme was cooked up to keep them in power for two terms, that all those men were killed so they could keep Republican majorities - no more, no less. But now they add that falsified information was presented with the express purpose of rolling those who saw Iraq as a threat, but not as an imminent threat. The world is awash in nerve gas and pathogens, that wasn't going to work, it had to be nukes. Bush and Cheney used false information, knowingly false, to assert a factual imminent nuclear threat to the US. They knew they were going to find no nukes, but they figured all the other WMDs they would find would cover their asses. The key document in the "yellowcake" thing also turned out to be forged. It was a conspiracy to defraud.

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So far, the implication in the trial is that Cheney bore full responsibility for WMD information. Bush may or may not have known the truth. It could turn out that Bush was just another Cheney sap. That seems to be consistent with McCain's recent tone as well.

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So far, the implication in the trial is that Cheney bore full responsibility for WMD information. Bush may or may not have known the truth. It could turn out that Bush was just another Cheney sap. That seems to be consistent with McCain's recent tone as well.
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