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We didn't fuck the Iraqis by going there or being there, we just had a piss poor plan to finish the job.
That is the very definition of fucking an entire nation of weak and dependent people. What the hell are you talking about? Jim
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We didn't fuck the Iraqis by going there or being there, we just had a piss poor plan to finish the job.
Actually we did and we had. America, masters at multi tasking.

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None of these conservatives ask themselves just what it is they have done to the Iraqi people, and whether they deserved any of it. How can any of you people morally justify what we did here? Are you animals, or human beings? For God sakes, we are better people than that - people who would kill others by the thousands on evidence that was flimsy and exaggerated, and then occupy them against their will even after the reasons we attacked them turned out to be false. We should have begged their forgiveness, but instead we just kept killing them. How did we go from the most civilized nation on earth, to that? There is a serious, serious question here for men who consider themselves decent men, of whether this president is a war criminal. It is time to forget the politics and ask ourselves some serious questions here, as moral people.

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That is the very definition of fucking an entire nation of weak and dependent people. What the hell are you talking about? Jim
That was in reference to the quoted post in which I think I read we fucked them by going there in the first place. I agree the lack of planning and execution of the whole thing was piss poor, but had we removed Saddam, secured the country (what we fucked up), and established self governance, I don't believe the people would be helping the insurgents as the quoted post implied they did at the outset.
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I wonder it is because this small group of nuts did not have popular support, and that the Phillipines, who are very sensitive about the presence of US troops, WHAT! THE SUBIC BAY WHORES LOVED US,were not being fucked in the ass by a foreign invader. I know if I was being fucked in the ass by a foreigner invader, I would give my armed insurgent friends lots of places to hide, and I would make ammonia nitrate out of my piss for them, so they could kill as many of you as possibleOH YES, YOU CAN FIX ANYTHING. DUh ya think the Phillys would do that for their bad guys? perhaps the non-presence of GOP cock up their anuses had something to do with that!WATCH YOU BLOOD PRESSURE....ITS JUST A LITTLE, MUCH NEEDED ADJUSTMENT OF ELIMINATION OF EXTREMISTS.....YOUR POSTS SOUND AKIN TO SHIT, FUCKING, COCK IN ANUS EXTREMISM.

EXTREMISM IN ANY FORM IS FUCKING, FUCKED IN THE ASS, SHIT, COCK IN THE ANUS DANGEROUS.

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That was in reference to the quoted post in which I think I read we fucked them by going there in the first place. I agree the lack of planning and execution of the whole thing was piss poor, but had we removed Saddam, secured the country (what we fucked up), and established self governance, I don't believe the people would be helping the insurgents as the quoted post implied they did at the outset.
Since civil war was an obvious (some had said inevitable) outcome of our invasion, why would you assert that inflicting this upon these people was not synonymous with "f*****g" them? The things I highlighted in your post are and always were impossible for us to accomplish. Many of us, and many in the Bush administration, knew this. Those members of the Bush administration have all been subsequently encouraged to seek employment elsewhere.

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That was in reference to the quoted post in which I think I read we fucked them by going there in the first place. I agree the lack of planning and execution of the whole thing was piss poor, but had we removed Saddam, secured the country (what we fucked up), and established self governance, I don't believe the people would be helping the insurgents as the quoted post implied they did at the outset.
ed, tells all again why we "had to remove Saddam"?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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That was in reference to the quoted post in which I think I read we fucked them by going there in the first place. I agree the lack of planning and execution of the whole thing was piss poor, but had we removed Saddam, secured the country (what we fucked up), and established self governance, I don't believe the people would be helping the insurgents as the quoted post implied they did at the outset.
Put yourself in their shoes. Remember "Shock and Awe?" How would you feel if you were living in the areas targeted for that event? And, in the end, what the hell did it accomplish other than turn the population you expected to welcome us, into people fearful and mistrusting us?

Bush is responsible for selecting Iraq to invade, selecting the timing, selecting the battle plan and refusing to acknowledge the results did not measure up before 4 years went by. I see nothing in those decisions to warrant trusting him to continue making decisons for us in matters of any importance. Jim
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Indonesia is failing as a country since the resignation of Suharto just for the very reasons stated above, he had his faults but he kept the beuracracy within in limits with his ways. Now with the scrutiny of the media and every other govt. ass with his handout under the table looking for cash international investors are investing in other countries. Now with little international investment there are shortfalls in the budgets each year hence raising taxes and the govt. itself looking for a bigger cut of the natural resources deals they have with the majors, such as any of the major mining and oil and gas operations. Legal contracts for these operations are being overlooked and they are trying to renegotiate most.
IMOP, the people of some Countries are not yet ready to live and function within a Democratic framework.
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IMOP, the people of some Countries are not yet ready to live and function within a Democratic framework.
Yes very true, mentally they are still have this tribal mentality.
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