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Lawmaker Wants 'No Spanking' Law In California

Local Legislator Proposes Ban

Jan. 19 - KGO - It's an old argument -- to spank or not to spank children. Now California could theoretically be the first state to outlaw parental spanking. The proposal includes penalties of up to a year in jail and fines of as much as $1000 dollars. The Mountain View legislator who proposed it is instant national news.

Madelyn Toogood made national headlines nearly five years ago when a security camera in Indiana caught her spanking her child in a store parking lot.

Now, California's second highest Assembly Democrat wants to propose a ban on spanking young children.

Assm. Sally Lieber (D) Mountain View: "Children that are three years old or younger are really sitting ducks in terms of the force, size and speed of an adult who would beat them."

Although California law does allow a child to be hit with reasonable force, mother Kathy Roebkin says the ban is needed because spanking is too rampant.

Kathy Roebkin, opposes spanking: "I think it breeds kids going to school and becoming violent themselves."

But other parents like Rajbir Kaur say she needs a disciplining tool for her rambunctious three-year-old.

Rajbir Kaur, supports spanking: "Sometimes they don't listen no matter what you tell them. Don't hit them, but & See, he's spanking me right now!"

The U.C. Davis Early Childhood Lab has been studying infant and toddler development since 1963. Their research shows young kids do imitate their parents and that spanking only works to stop bad behavior at that moment.

Janet Thompson, Early Childhood Lab Director: "You need to think of modeling appropriate behavior for a child rather than simply responding with anger and force."

The spanking ban won't likely win support from Republicans.

Assm. Chuck DeVore (R) Irvine: "The problem I have with this is that we're beginning to legislate every small thing in family life. We are becoming the ultimate nanny state."

Madelyn Toogood eventually was found guilty of child endangerment, serving a one year suspended sentence and fined $500.

Even though he has questions about enforcement, Governor Schwarzenegger says he is receptive to the idea, saying he found it more effective to take away his kids playtime than to spank.

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What about locking the little barstards in a closet until they're twelve? Is that legal?
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And the Public speak out

CBS 5 Poll: Majority Oppose Calif. Spanking Ban

CBS 5 / KCBS) SAN FRANCISCO Do parents have the right to spank their children? It is a controversial issue, and while a Bay Area lawmaker wants it addressed in Sacramento -- a majority of those surveyed for a new CBS 5 poll expressed opposition to a spanking ban.

In California, it's currently against the law for anyone but parents to spank a child. A proposed new law would make it illegal for them, too, if the child is 3 years old or younger.

Assemblywoman Sally Lieber (D-Mountain View) wants the practice of swatting a child on the behind outlawed and is in the process of drafting a bill to do so.

A poll of 500 Bay Area adults conducted for CBS 5 by Survey USA on Thursday found 57% would oppose such a bill, while only 23% would support it. The poll, with a margin of error of plus or minus 4.4%, showed 11% undecided.

Parents at the playgroup at Parent's Place in San Francisco, non-profit Jewish family child and parents service group, said they don't believe in spanking young children, but they said outlawing it worries them.

Joanna Jhanda as a one year old girl, said she understands the need for a law, but it troubles her: "There are certainly cases of extreme abuse,and those need to be addressed. I don't know if this law would help those children."

Victoria Wylie has a four month old and she's worried about where the law draws the line. She said, "If someone sees me doing something.. what they would consider spanking.. and it's not, I'm a little uncomfortable I'd be under investigation."

The proposed law would make spanking a child under 3 misdemeanor child abuse, an extenstion of current corporal punishment laws.

Violators could spend a year in jail, and pay up to $1000 in fines. Enforcement is unclear.

San Francisco assistant district attorney Paul Henderson prosecutes child abuse cases, and he welcomes a no spanking law.

"If you're going to spank your child, you need to know the limit," said Henderson, "and you need to know that doing it in a way that's cruel or traumatic causes injury, and that you could be prosecuted."

At the parenting classes at Parent's Place, spanking is considered the wrong discipline. Lee Ann Slaton leads discipline classes there. She said, "It teaches a child, if you're bigger you can hit. Violence begets violence.. and they're not learning."

An anti-spanking law in California would be the country's first. Supporters claim the U.S. is far behind some other nations in this issue. According to Lieber, fifteen countries worldwide have outlawed spanking of children, and under international law, it's considered a human rights abuse.

Critics maintain a spanking ban is an intrusion on the family, while supporters call it protecting a defenseless child.
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I remember getting my ass tore up by my dad. I went to school with marks on my legs from the switch he used. Was I abused? Hell no! I deserved it and it made me not only mind him, but I feared those whippings more than anything. Leave a mark on a child today and you will go to jail.

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Oh who cares about this irrelevent drivel. Spank or no spank, as if this petty horse shit makes one tough or not.
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Even though he has questions about enforcement, Governor Schwarzenegger says he is receptive to the idea, saying he found it more effective to take away his kids playtime than to spank.[/QUOTE]

Show me how his children turned out....I'll match up a child that was spanked and disciplined in a way that brought them up right to a child that had "time-outs" all his life anyday.

Look at how our country is now, kids act the way they do. We need "super nanny" tv shows to help our nations moms and dads learn how to raise their children. Children trying to divorce their parents. Go backwards into the 50's and 40's and see the way the "GREATEST GENERATION" was raised.....if only we did now with our children what they did then. I guarantee you that they weren't against spanking. And our the parents of America wonder why they get no repsect or obedience out of their children....
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Even though he has questions about enforcement, Governor Schwarzenegger says he is receptive to the idea, saying he found it more effective to take away his kids playtime than to spank.
Show me how his children turned out....I'll match up a child that was spanked and disciplined in a way that brought them up right to a child that had "time-outs" all his life anyday.

Look at how our country is now, kids act the way they do. We need "super nanny" tv shows to help our nations moms and dads learn how to raise their children. Children trying to divorce their parents. Go backwards into the 50's and 40's and see the way the "GREATEST GENERATION" was raised.....if only we did now with our children what they did then. I guarantee you that they weren't against spanking. And our the parents of America wonder why they get no repsect or obedience out of their children....[/QUOTE]
My teacher said back in the 50s, if you were at a friends house, and you misbehaved, it wasn't uncommon for your friend's parents to spank you. Then you'd get another spanking when you got home after they called your parents.

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Even though he has questions about enforcement, Governor Schwarzenegger says he is receptive to the idea, saying he found it more effective to take away his kids playtime than to spank.
Show me how his children turned out....I'll match up a child that was spanked and disciplined in a way that brought them up right to a child that had "time-outs" all his life anyday.

Look at how our country is now, kids act the way they do. We need "super nanny" tv shows to help our nations moms and dads learn how to raise their children. Children trying to divorce their parents. Go backwards into the 50's and 40's and see the way the "GREATEST GENERATION" was raised.....if only we did now with our children what they did then. I guarantee you that they weren't against spanking. And our the parents of America wonder why they get no repsect or obedience out of their children....[/QUOTE]


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