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You must be truly naive if you haven't figured out by now that to clinch a sale sometimes a guy may have to compromise his own principles somewhat. Business is business.....

To bring this back to the world of motoring, what's the difference between a hard sales pitch that includes borderline positives about a product, and the same guy making untrue negative statements about a rival product? It's called giving a customer 'a warm feeling'.
Well Keyhole,

I will be 50 in August this year, started working when I was 13 and retired last year, now just run my investments and lay back with the wife. During the time I worked I never compromised my morals or my principles but hey if you are no good in business and hard up because you cannot do business in a moral and upstanding way then I guess something has to go. Everybody that knows me knows I do not compromise my priniciples for anyone or anything that is why I could never be a sales guy. Now go give that "warm feeling" to someone and I hope the ethics guy in your personnel department gets no complaints about you.
As for business, I always thought that if you did the right thing, were honest and not over priced for what you are selling then the public will beat a path to your door, has business changed so much?
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As for business, I always thought that if you did the right thing, were honest and not over priced for what you are selling then the public will beat a path to your door, has business changed so much?
Hi JE

Yeah - it's pretty ruthless sometimes...

For myself, I retired 10 years ago from international oil/gas construction. I like to think that over the years I always tried to be straight with my clients. Sometimes I was expected to 'bend the rules' a little to keep the business sweet. If I had objected, I would then have been overruled by higher management.

What's the point of high principles if you are out of a job?
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Yeah - it's pretty ruthless sometimes...

For myself, I retired 10 years ago from international oil/gas construction. I like to think that over the years I always tried to be straight with my clients. Sometimes I was expected to 'bend the rules' a little to keep the business sweet. If I had objected, I would then have been overruled by higher management.

What's the point of high principles if you are out of a job?
Well it seems you probably never runned down, bashed, talked shit about your own country or fellow country men or leaders so you can give some foreigners that "warm feeling". That was my point above.
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Yeah nothing like bashing, running down and talking shit about your country, the State where you grew up and it's leaders just to make a quick buck. Oh you are a biznezz man now. I think most male prosititutes selling their ass and mouth to have their next refill for their crack pipe have more morals and ethics than you.
Constructive criticism does not even closely denote a traitor, I realize that is hard for some people to understand. Making money in one country and then retiring to a second world country does however make one a user, traitor, and hypocrit.
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So true. If I didn't blast the USA in front of my European associates I would get no business nor invites. Even more sad is that I generally agree with them regarding Americas recently deserved reputation. I have to start conversations with apologies for Bush and for myself being from Texas. I soon gain their trust this way. I do not mind Bush bashing, but take it too far and I will turn on you without fail. They respect this as well. They are just like us after all.


Constructive criticism does not even closely denote a traitor, I realize that is hard for some people to understand. Making money in one country and then retiring to a second world country does however make one a user, traitor, and hypocrit.
Whoa, look at that backing up, no where above did you say "constructive criticism" You said what you said now stand up be a man for once and take it.

As for making money "in 1 country" not since 1985 have a recieve a salary from the States or a company based in the States. So any money that I made back then has been long gone. I give back what I take, not like you, a back stabbing hypocrite who if he cannot say anything good about his country he runs it down to endear himself to forgeigners that are giving you the job but then if Americans will not hire you I guess you got to work for someone.
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Yeah - it's pretty ruthless sometimes...

For myself, I retired 10 years ago from international oil/gas construction. I like to think that over the years I always tried to be straight with my clients. Sometimes I was expected to 'bend the rules' a little to keep the business sweet. If I had objected, I would then have been overruled by higher management.

What's the point of high principles if you are out of a job?
Honor. Integrity.

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Confluence of attitude and machine: BBC

In-car technology drives forward

By Ian Hardy

They say many things about the Americans, but one thing that is true is that they love their cars - and they love accessorising them too.

In-car technology, or telematics, is a thriving business in the Unites States. At the recent CES technology show in Vegas they showed-off dashboard TV screens to watch whilst you waited for a parking space.

But other technology aims to make sure that you don't even have to wait.

Big city car parks are often full, so one US satellite radio station is aiming to stream information about space availability directly into the cockpit.

"There are hundreds of different parking garages spread across the United States where the garage owner has computer technology to tell them which spaces are empty or full," said David Butler of XM Satellite Radio.

"We are tapping into that information and sending it to your navigation system. The map will tell you where the parking garages are located, and how many empty spaces they have."

The Global Positioning System (GPS) is at the core of many in-car streaming information systems. One US device that relies on the technology is able to warn drivers about hidden speed cameras.

It compares the location of the vehicle with a database of known camera co-ordinates.

European drivers are already familiar with the idea, but the next step is to deliver more detailed knowledge about a car's environment to the person behind the steering wheel.

"There are lots of kinds of visual information that we see happening in the future," said Dave Marsh of manufacturing company Cobra Navigation.

"Things such as school zones, railway crossings, dangerous intersections, blackspots, those kinds of things. In the future those kinds of things will be detected by this kind of detector."

Portable gadgets

You can also expect to see a lot more portable navigation units that are integrated with many other features in the car, from the CD player to Bluetooth devices.

One snap-in, snap-out screen controls them all.

"With portable on-demand we're able to have the full functionality of an AM/FM CD, Bluetooth, iPod capability, as well as a portable navigation system that we can take with us at any given point," said Ed Meenan of Eclipse.

Probably the most important slot on your dashboard at the moment is the cigarette lighter and charger, but it is about to be joined by a USB port.

Sync is a new joint initiative by Microsoft and Ford. Once your gadgets are connected by USB or Bluetooth, the system phonetically reads all the information in your gadget's database, which you can quickly access by simply talking to it using the latest voice recognition technology.

Of course you can scrap the radio altogether and just rely on a petrol pump for your music - there are pumps that allow downloads into your car via wi-fi.

So now you can pump and play songs at the same time.
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Hi JE

Yeah - it's pretty ruthless sometimes...

For myself, I retired 10 years ago from international oil/gas construction. I like to think that over the years I always tried to be straight with my clients. Sometimes I was expected to 'bend the rules' a little to keep the business sweet. If I had objected, I would then have been overruled by higher management.

What's the point of high principles if you are out of a job?
Yea but the best way to conduct business is treat people well, it's the key to everything, if some guy buys for example product 'x' goes down the road and finds that you lied to him or even bent the truth hes not going to be happy, you won't get his business again nor that of anyone he tells, and with boards exactly like this one it's getting harder and harder for bad business to stay isolated. I could now tell thousands of people how unhappy I am with various products and services.

The real key to business IMO comes with matching products to consumers and consumer value to products. For example a conumer that you may have to streech the truth with a pruduct to sell it should not really be sold to as the product, the real one not the one your "selling" does not have the benifits of consumption that they are looking for. You have to either adapt this product or find the consumer that will draw the most positive benefits of consumption one thats achived the product can almost sell itself.
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