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Big News, DEMS discover where we went wrong in Iraq, Rice has no kids to sacrafice.

BOXER'S LOW BLOW

January 12, 2007 -- Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer, an appalling scold from California, wasted no time yesterday in dragging the debate over Iraq about as low as it can go - attacking Secre tary of State Condoleezza Rice for being a childless woman.

Boxer was wholly in character for her party - New York's own two Democratic senators, Chuck Schumer and Hillary Rodham Clinton, were predictably opportunistic - but the Golden State lawmaker earned special attention for the tasteless jibes she aimed at Rice.
Rice appeared before the Senate in defense of President Bush's tactical change in Iraq, and quickly encountered Boxer.
"Who pays the price? I'm not going to pay a personal price," Boxer said. "My kids are too old, and my grandchild is too young."
Then, to Rice: "You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with an immediate family."
Breathtaking.
Simply breathtaking.
We scarcely know where to begin.
The junior senator from California ap parently believes that an accom plished, seasoned diplomat, a renowned scholar and an adviser to two presidents like Condoleezza Rice is not fully qualified to make policy at the highest levels of the American government because she is a single, childless woman.
It's hard to imagine the firestorm that similar comments would have ignited, coming from a Republican to a Democrat, or from a man to a woman, in the United States Senate. (Surely the Associated Press would have put the observation a bit higher than the 18th paragraph of a routine dispatch from Washington.)
But put that aside.
The vapidity - the sheer mindlessness - of Sen. Boxer's assertion makes it clear that the next two years are going to be a time of bitterness and rancor, marked by pettiness of spirit and political self-indulgence of a sort not seen in America for a very long time.
In contrast to Boxer, Sen. Clinton seemed almost statesmanlike - until one considers that she was undercutting the president of the United States in time of war: "The president simply has not gotten the message sent loudly and clearly by the American people, that we desperately need a new course."
Schumer, meanwhile, dismissed the president's speech as "a new surge without a new strategy."
Frankly, we're not surprised by Hillary Clinton's rush to judgment. With both eyes firmly set on 2008, her Iraq position flits like a tumbleweed in the political wind. Who knows where she'll wind up?
Heck, she admitted as much by citing November's midterm elections to justify her newfound opposition to the war. (And who needs a commander-in-chief who tailors war-fighting strategy to public opinion?)

Clinton would do well to consider the words of GOP Sen. John McCain, another White House hopeful, who frankly admits that his strong support for a troop surge in Iraq has cost him votes. (Some Democrats, in fact, already are calling this "McCain's surge.")
Said McCain: "I'd rather lose a campaign than lose a war."
As for Schumer, we're profoundly disappointed by his remarks.
While he's always been a fiercely parti san Democrat (nothing to be ash amed of), time was when Schumer seemed to understand the existential threat posed by Islamic extremism.
Now he's been elevated to a top position in his party's Senate leadership - and he has bigger fish to fry.
Like electing Democrats.
And so, like Boxer, he cheers on Barack Obama, Chris Dodd, Joe Biden and John Edwards - with Clinton, presidential aspirants - as they trash Bush's plan.
To the extent that such behavior encourages America's enemies - and of course it does - he, like they, stands to have innocent blood on his hands.
Yes, the party's bloggers will be happy.
So will al Qaeda.
True enough, Democrats don't hold a monopoly on appalling behavior.
Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback, a Republican presidential candidate and favorite of some conservatives, has joined with Democrats in opposition to the troop surge - and he's not alone.
The president deserves better.
Indeed, the least these critics can do is suggest an alternative that leads to success in Iraq rather than simply criticize.
Or suggest that America simply wave the white flag.
As Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) said: "Now that the president has outlined a change in strategy, we should give his proposals an opportunity to work." Instead, Kyl rightly noted, "some declared the president's proposals unworkable even before they were announced."
No such nay-saying, however, was to be heard from two Capitol Hill stalwarts: McCain and Sen. Joe Lieberman, the independent Democrat from Connecticut.
"I applaud the president for rejecting the fatalism of failure and pursuing a new course to achieve success in Iraq," said Lieberman, who alone in his party genuinely comprehends what a U.S. defeat in Iraq would mean.
As for McCain, his support is tempered by the fact that he argued correctly, from the start, that the war was being fought with too few troops. Had the administration listened four years ago, this tactical shift might not be necessary now.
It would take a truly hard heart not to be touched, deeply, by the sacrifices made by the young men and women now wearing their country's uniform.
And one can only imagine the pain felt by the families of those killed and cruelly wounded in service to America. Just as it was hard to imagine the agony of the loved ones left behind on 9/11.
But even to suggest that Condoleezza Rice is not fit to serve her country because she is childless is beyond bizarre.
It is perverse.
Sen. Boxer needs to apologize. And she needs to do it today.

BOXER'S LOW BLOW - New York Post Online Edition: Seven
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Ya know...that's taking a point and s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g it way too thin.

New York Post: Yellow journalism at its finest.
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Ya know...that's taking a point and s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g it way too thin.

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Come on Page, it was a bit senseless to point out common knowledge that Rice has no kids, we are talking about Congressional Hearings are we not?
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When making an assessment of Ms. Rice's qualifications for making national policy strategic decisions or recommendations, one should review her record first. There is plenty of poor performance there - just recall why there is this need to shift policy now, or why we even attacked Iraq in the first place and you see bungled decisions all along the way with Ms. Rice's supporting or forming inputs - to conclude Ms. Rice is not up to the job.

I also think the question of who pays is one that needs to be addressed openly. Obviously Ms. Rice is not going experience the anxiety of a loved one serving the US in harm's way. Just as obviously she is not going to experience the loss of a child due to her decision to send other people's loved ones to Iraq. This puffed up outrage over the comment is merely intended to draw attention away from the fact that Ms. Rice is not only missing basic skills needed to be the top US diplomat, and her contributions to getting the US into the quagmire of Iraq, as well as the fact that she is apparently emotionally disconnected from the American people who do send loved ones to serve in Iraq. Note Ms. Boxer also freely admits she is equally unencumbered by these anxieties, and that there is nothing about Ms. Rice being single or childless, just that she is not at risk like the rest of the American's affected by her decisions.

And, the underlying theme in the posted article suggests that the President deserves to be supported. Unfortunately, he has had a stranglehold on support from the Republican Party that used to control both the Senate and the House for six years. During that time he has run amok and put our nation at great risk. That behaviour specifically does not earn him the unquestioned support this article suggests he deserves. In fact, it is specifically that behaviour that has earned him the scrutiny of his policies that he is experiencing today. And the scrutiny of the aptitute and qualifications for the appointees in his cabinet who helped formulate his failed policies to date. Like Ms. Rice.

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Jim Paragraph 1 and 3 make compllete sense and I agree but come on there is no reason to bring up about the lack of loved ones, damn, how low can you go? Let's stay professional at least in Congressional hearings.
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Robert,

While you, and likely I, would not have brought the subject up, and me because I think it is unnecessary, I believe the outrage over the subject is no more than politically motivated puffery. The pretty gently phrased reminder that Ms. Rice is making decisions and recommendations that affect Americans in ways she cannot experience might better have been made privately - but it was in no way some kind of condemnation of her lifestyle, or actually connected to a question of her qualifications - it was no more than a highlight that the people making these decisions, like Boxer herself, are often not paying the same price for these decisions as average Americans. Make more of it if you will, but it does nothing to keep the spotlight on discovering how such a steady stream of piss-poor decisions can be made to get your "boxers" all knotted up over Ms. Rice's potentially hurt feelings. Take a casual review of the personal attacks on Hilary here and in the open press by Republicans and their talking heads and tell me you think Ms. Rice is being unfairly treated.

Taste and civility we all learned in the 2000 and 2004 elections, is not something the American people really understand or value, so don't lament their demise too loudly. Jim
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Jim, Point taken but as you said neither you nor I would have broached the subject, it was done in very poor taste. As for my boxers, don't have any, I go commando, hanging and flying free.
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