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Jan 11, 6:19 AM (ET)
By STEVEN R. HURST and QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA
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BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraq's prime minister has told Shiite militiamen to surrender their weapons or face an all-out assault, part of a commitment U.S. President George W. Bush outlined to bring violence under control with a more aggressive Iraqi Army and 21,500 additional American troops.
Senior Iraqi officials said Wednesday that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, under pressure from the U.S., has agreed to crack down on the fighters even though they are loyal to his most powerful political ally, the radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. Previously, al-Maliki had resisted the move.
In a speech that was carried live at 5 a.m. on Iraqi state television, Bush laid out his new plan to quell violence in and around the Iraqi capital in a televised address to the nation Wednesday night. In earlier operations, the president said, "political and sectarian interference prevented Iraqi and American forces from going into neighborhoods that are home to those fueling the sectarian violence.
"This time, Iraqi and American forces will have a green light to enter those neighborhoods," Bush said. "Prime Minister Maliki has pledged that political or sectarian interference will not be tolerated."
Before Bush spoke, a senior Shiite legislator and close al-Maliki adviser said the prime minister had warned that no militias would be spared in the crackdown.
"The government has told the Sadrists: 'If we want to build a state we have no other choice but to attack armed groups,'" said the legislator, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak for the prime minister.
Bush warned that the U.S. expected al-Maliki to keep those promises.
"America's commitment is not open-ended," Bush said. "If the Iraqi government does not follow through on its promises, it will lose the support of the American people and it will lose the support of the Iraqi people."
The Iraqi government welcomed the new strategy and promised it was committed to succeeding in quelling the violence.
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"The failure in Iraq will not only affect this country only, but the rest of the region and the world, including the United States," said Sadiq al-Rikabi, an adviser to al-Maliki.
"The current situation is not acceptable - not only for the American people but also for the Iraqis and their government. As Iraqis and as an elected government we welcome the American commitment for success," he added. "The Iraqi government also is committed to succeed."
Al-Rikabi also stressed the importance of the Iraqis taking the lead.
"The American plan cannot succeed without us because we work in the same field in order to defeat violence and terrorism and boost the democratic system," he said.
Senior officials in radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's group said they will not comment on the speech until their political council meets later Thursday to discuss Bush's statements.
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Al-Maliki on Saturday announced that his government would implement a new security plan for Baghdad, which consists of neighborhood-by-neighborhood sweeps by Iraqi forces backed by U.S. troops.
Sunni lawmaker Hussein al-Falluji rejected the plan to increase the number of American troops and warned that it would only increase the violence.
"Bush's plan could be the last attempt to fix the chaos created after the invasion of Iraq. Yet, sending more troops will not end the problem, on the contrary, there will be more bloodshed," he said. "I think that the solution would be to set an objective timetable for the withdrawal of the American forces and start direct negotiations with the Iraqi resistance."
Shiite politician and former member of parliament Mariam al-Rayes noted Democratic opposition to the increase in troops.
"Some consider president Bush an adventurer," she told the state-run Iraqiya station. "But he has found that his role now is to support this government especially after the government asked for more support and authorities."
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In the past, the Iraqi government has tried to prevent American military operations against the Mahdi Army, while giving U.S. forces a free hand against Sunni militants. The Bush administration has pushed al-Maliki, who took office in May, to curb his militia allies or allow U.S. troops to do the job.
Although al-Maliki withdrew political protection from the Mahdi Army, there was no guarantee the Shiite fighters would be easily routed from the large and growing area of Baghdad under their control.
The militia has more fighters, weapons and sophistication today than it did in 2004, when it battled U.S. forces to a standstill in two strongholds, the Shiite holy city of Najaf and Sadr City, Baghdad's sprawling Shiite slum.
Sunni militants, meanwhile, have put up fierce resistance in the five days since al-Maliki announced his new security initiative for Baghdad.
Iraqi and U.S. troops have battled Sunni insurgents along Haifa Street in central Baghdad in two major battles.
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The neighborhood is only about 2 1/2 miles north of the Green Zone, site of the Iraqi government headquarters, the U.S. Embassy and base for thousands of American soldiers.
Eighty suspected insurgents were killed in the fighting - 50 of them on Tuesday alone, in an assault backed by U.S. troops, fighter jets and attack helicopters.
Bush said the U.S. will send 21,500 more troops - 17,500 of them to help pacify Baghdad,
The increase in troop levels was part of a larger military and economic effort intended to turn around a 3 1/2-year-old war that has cost the U.S. hundreds of billions of dollars and more than 3,000 lives.
In preparation for the new security plan, the Iraqi military will bring two brigades from northern Iraq, a region largely populated by Kurds, and one from the south.
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Tens of thousands of Iraqis have died, many of them in the capital in the past year - after the war became a religious conflict between Sunnis and Shiites. Sectarian violence began after the February bombing of a major Shiite shrine by al-Qaida in Iraq.
Al-Maliki has not commented on the Bush administration's plans to create a set of benchmarks to measure the Iraqi government's progress on improving security.
Washington wants the prime minister to come up with a plan to equitably share the country's oil wealth, ease restrictions on former Baath Party members and hold provincial elections - steps regarded as critically important to drawing Sunnis into the political process.
An Iraqi general, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to disclose details of the plan, said a mainly Kurdish force would be sent into the Sadr City slum in northeast Baghdad, which serves as headquarters of the Mahdi Army.
The general said Kurds, who are Sunni but not Arab, were being used against the Shiite militia because soldiers from other Iraqi units were likely to refuse to fight fellow Shiites. An estimated 80 percent of Iraq's army is Shiite.
Under the new security plan, the general said, U.S. and Iraqi troops will sweep Baghdad neighborhoods in an effort to dislodge the Mahdi Army, as well as Sunni extremists - including al-Qaida in Iraq and two of its allied groups, the Ansar al-Sunnah Army and the Omar Brigade.
Iraqi and U.S. officials said Iraqi commanders will be put in charge of each of nine city districts. Each commander will operate independently of Iraqi military headquarters.
Al-Maliki has named Lt. Gen. Aboud Gambar, an Iraqi general who was taken prisoner of war by U.S. forces during the 1991 Gulf war, as the overall commander.
Gambar, a Shiite, will have two assistants, one from the police and one from the army, Iraqi military officers said on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose the information. Gambar will report directly to al-Maliki.
The Americans plan to put 400 to 600 U.S. soldiers in each district as a backup force, a senior Bush administration official said Wednesday. Others will be held in reserve throughout the capital to deploy quickly on the request of Iraqi commanders.
One senior U.S. official said al-Maliki agreed to stop protecting the Mahdi Army under pressure from both the U.S. and his fellow Iraqis. In a conference call with U.S. reporters, the official said the al-Maliki "plan will work" because it frees his military from political and sectarian influence.
The latest drive to pacify Baghdad is at least the fourth since the war began. All have had only limited success, with insurgents and militants swiftly returning to neighborhoods after U.S. and Iraqi military forces departed.
The U.S. military also announced that four more American soldiers had died Tuesday from combat wounds in Iraq.
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and more related reading: Excite News - Shiite Leader Backs Iraqi Security Plan



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There will be well beyond 20 "donkey posts" on this thread, assmans own thread, that will tell you all you need to know about this matter.

There is no reason you need to gain knowledge on this matter.....assman will brainwash you.....hell most you sheep are in the rinse cycle.
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There will be well beyond 20 "donkey posts" on this thread, assmans own thread, that will tell you all you need to know about this matter.

There is no reason you need to gain knowledge on this matter.....assman will brainwash you.....hell most you sheep are in the rinse cycle.
glad to see your commitment to staying ignorant. have fun.



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Well, I've seen enough history in my lifetime to know that, unless there are overwhelming reasons for it. to 'cut & run' is not generally the way to the best solution in a conflict.

Here in the UK there was a deal of handwringing that we should pull our peacekeeping troops out of Northern Ireland, as London was being bombed by the IRA. We decided to hold our ground, and have been vindicated as the IRA eventually decided to give up their struggle.

Let's all hope that the new policy is a success.

'Our troops' despite the view of the IRA, were not an invasion force in Northern Ireland, they were there to protect BRITISH citizens on established sovereign territory.
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".......Going door to door to gain the trust of Baghdad residents......" LOL
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I agree. When I heard that I knew God was talking to his crack ass again. Now he wants to turn our troops into Mormons. And he did that on National TV, no; make that International.

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There will be well beyond 20 "donkey posts" on this thread, assmans own thread, that will tell you all you need to know about this matter.

There is no reason you need to gain knowledge on this matter.....assman will brainwash you.....hell most you sheep are in the rinse cycle.
Your avatar and location describes you very well.

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Beyond all the crap and jibberish already mentioned, it looks like we will be engaging with Iran and Syria as well. Seems to be the beginning of something awful here and it stinks of fear propaganda like everything else George has done. Hey at least George kept our shores safe since 9/11. At least thats what the Republicans tell us.
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...Next is the number of troops. The interesting thing about the new general in charge, Gen Petraeus, is that he has a paper trail. After commanding the 101st Airborne he was transferred to head the Army's Counter-insurgency school. He is on record as saying that Iraq needs a minimum of 250,000 more troops to have a successful counter insurgency. He is getting screwed. So much for the generals "getting the troops they asked for"

Did you see how ruddy Bush's face was? He looks like he's hitting the bottle to me.
20,000 troops won't make any difference. The General is correct, we either go in there in massive numbers (I would suggest closer to 750,000 additional troops) with a strong international alliance to fix the problem we created, or we get the hell out.

By the way, where would we get the 250,000 troops to send? We are already sending over psychopaths and criminals we can't control - what makes anyone think this is a small enough scale event that we can continue to go it alone? Either we form a strong international alliance to fix what we broke, or we leave. Given Bush's record for negotiation with his rectum as his mouthpiece when addressing other nations, we are left with little choice but to leave. There are no other reasonable choices.

And, if there is anyone in the country who should be worried about fucking up, it should be Bush. If it makes him drink, he won't be the first. If it makes him drink and think, it might be an improvement. If it totally incapacitates him, that will likely be an improvement.
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My dream of a two thirds majority in both houses and Democratic President in my lifetime may come true after all, one able to pass constitutional amendments that will institute the right of choice for women, the institution of national health care, the banishment of religion entirely from government, and of course, the designation of the ACLU as a cabinet level governmet agency, all may come true. A world where Botnst and guage will swim to Venezuela looking for a more conservative government.
Well how about you move to Canada and experience the wonder of national health care, and then we can stay here and you can take your idea of the ACLU and banishment of religion too!

Too if any of you remember the war with Iraq never stopped after Kuwait, it was mearly a cease fire.

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