Originally Posted by FeelTheLove
We did go in and kick ass. Your basic assumptions are your problem. The War in Iraq was decided way before 9-11, it was merely an excuse. It was a presumptous, conceited, moronic enterprise from the day they thought it up in 1998 until the day they conned the Congress and the American people into going along. There are no "conspiracy theories" here, only blatant criminality not much better than any con man would pull off. And I could care less about "understanding our failures" - I want JUSTICE. JUSTICE for murdered Iraqis. JUSTICE for our fighting men sent to die for a lie. Murtha's role in this is to develop evidence, and it's about damn time.
I think the emphasis on "JUSTICE" as you have framed it leaves us, as a nation, free to fuck up again, if it is not meted out with a painful lesson's learned session for Congress and the Executive Branch. Don't you think the generation that suffered the loss of the Vietnam War should have been able to avoid another, similar, blunder better than any other generation? I think the ignominious resignation of Nixon, like an impeachment of Bush and Cheney now, was wrongly assumed to be a "lesson learned" and the actual failures of that horrible period in our history were never documented, which doomed us to repeat them.
"JUSTICE" cannot merely be to hold a few individuals accountable. Yes, I agree they need to be held accountable, and they should be punished as the evidence Murtha's investigations and hearings justify, but the basic American values of the last 200 plus years, the values that made us the dominant world leaders we became by the end of the Cold War, cannot be allowed to be set aside due to poor judgment compounded by unfavorable circumstances again. We cannot afford to step backwards or stoop to the lowest standards of ethics and respect for human life on the planet because a group with such standards has challenged us.
And, we will see how the declassification of classified documents that describe our fuck-ups compromises national security. I welcome it. Apparently Cubancigar, you find this ominous. It is part of squeezing the puss out of the boil on our national intelligence agency's ass. It has to be done. There is nothing good about letting this shit rot under the rug. We have to get better, and getting better means understanding where you are today. If it is all left under the "classified material" rug, it won't be addressed. Get used to it. There is actually very little material designated "classified" at any level that is truly classified to protect the national security. Most of it is classified to keep it out of easy reach of the public. Singing the Felkhound chorus for him to get the masses all frothy with fear is not really a worthy cause. Nothing in those documents that will become public can possibly hurt us as much as invading Iraq has. Jim