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post #11 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-04-2007, 06:50 PM
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War might be illegal, but if every leutenant has the right to determine that and refuse deployment, we will have no Armed Forces.
Obviously that determination must be made in court. It's not an easy standard to meet.

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Obviously that determination must be made in court. It's not an easy standard to meet.
That's what a Court Martial is for.

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That's what a Court Martial is for.

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And he is facing it all right.

In some countries he would be shot on the spot.

He must thank God we are a democrazy (pun intended).

Seriously, it is not Vietnam. No draft for the military, no need to go to Canada.
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"Illegal"? How so? The Congress authorized it and the Congress funded it. Your knowledge of the constitutional process is only surpassed by your knowledge of building demolition.

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Despite your idiotic flippancy, here is a story that makes is clear there are some facts on his side. And as a practicing engineer, I know enough about the physics of demolition, which you willfully ignore for stupidly partisan reasons.

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Watada said his refusal to serve in Iraq was based, in part, on his review of the Army Field Manual, which states in a section entitled "Commencement of Hostilities" that "The Charter of the United Nations makes illegal the threat or use of force contrary to the purpose of the United Nations."

Watada said he believes the United States did not get the necessary U.N. approvals to launch the invasion that began in March 2003.

U.S. officials dispute that analysis, saying the invasion was authorized by a November 2002 Security Council resolution, which threatened "serious consequences" should Iraq fail to fully comply with terms of weapons inspections.

That resolution gave the United States full authority to invade Iraq, according to Richard Grenell, a spokesman for the U.S. mission to the United Nations.

But other diplomats — including former U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan — have questioned whether that resolution legalized the U.S. invasion and noted that the United States was unsuccessful in an effort to get a more explicit resolution approved in winter 2003.
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I could sympathize with some pimple-faced uneducated yokel from New Hampshire not understanding the terms of enlistment, but this guy is college educated and a first Looie. No excuses for that jackass. 6 yrs hard labor is just and appropriate.

F**k the dishonorable bastard.

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Take away his butter bar and bust him down to an E-1



Edit: Oops,I thought he was a 2nd Lieutenant

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Despite your idiotic flippancy, here is a story that makes is clear there are some facts on his side. And as a practicing engineer, I know enough about the physics of demolition, which you willfully ignore for stupidly partisan reasons.



http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._watada4m.html
Hey genius, we follow the laws of the United States.

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Take away his butter bar and bust him down to an E-1
Silver bar. I don't think they can convert an officer to enlisted as punishment without an act of Congress or some such, but I'm not certain. Officers that screw-up are rarely treated as harshly as enlisted screw-ups.
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Silver bar.
Yeah,I thought he was a 2nd Lt at first,but you missed my edit.

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Hey genius, we follow the laws of the United States.

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Duh..

Hmm, we don't follow UN laws? Since when?
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