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OK. You could probably count them.



The scientific "community" is not nearly so hell bent on the idea that "man causes global warming and there is something we can do about it". You need to read EXACTLY what they say, when they actually make predictions. For example: The idea that ice melts, and causes a change in ocean currents as a result of salinity changes.

The info I read is that they predict a 70 percent chance that it will occur within 200 years, and a 25 percent chance that it will occur even if we stop ALL HUMAN GREENHOUSE EMISSIONS.

So what does that tell us?

And since when do otherwise intelligent people believe that predictions of outcome in a chaotic environment are MORE accurate the further out they get?

Ever since they realized that they can retire before the verdict is in?

What will the weather be like on Jaunary 6th in Willows, California? Will it rain? I want to know because I will be driving on a track.

We can't predict the weather "reliably" more than a few days out. The varibles compound as time goes by. Yet you are confident that it will be warmer in 20 years.

The global climate is not as complex as a local climate?

Hilarious.
Like I said, Dave, buy yourself a subscription to the Scientific American. I know that it is secretly printed by the ACLU, but I am sure you will get around that somehow and see what scientists are actually saying. You essentially believe in a flat earth, go see what the guys who think the earth is round are saying.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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That doesn't work so well if you have five kids and a grandchild.
Hey, that'll be their problem to cope with. At least they won't have to deal with Mister Rogers and Howdy Doody.

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OK. You could probably count them.



The scientific "community" is not nearly so hell bent on the idea that "man causes global warming and there is something we can do about it". You need to read EXACTLY what they say, when they actually make predictions. For example: The idea that ice melts, and causes a change in ocean currents as a result of salinity changes.

The info I read is that they predict a 70 percent chance that it will occur within 200 years, and a 25 percent chance that it will occur even if we stop ALL HUMAN GREENHOUSE EMISSIONS.

So what does that tell us?

And since when do otherwise intelligent people believe that predictions of outcome in a chaotic environment are MORE accurate the further out they get?

Ever since they realized that they can retire before the verdict is in?

What will the weather be like on Jaunary 6th in Willows, California? Will it rain? I want to know because I will be driving on a track.

We can't predict the weather "reliably" more than a few days out. The varibles compound as time goes by. Yet you are confident that it will be warmer in 20 years.

The global climate is not as complex as a local climate?

Hilarious.
If you'll trouble yourself to read what I wrote you'll note that I proposed two boundary conditions within which all predictions must fall. The first boundary condition maybe that man makes no difference and the other is as you quoted, "man causes global warming and there is something we can do about it". We might be so bold as to suppose that these are a null hypothesis and it's alternative. This is how we define a problem -- set boundaries and push on them. By stating the problem as a null hypothesis we render it falsifiable. devising hypotheses that can be falsified is perhaps the most important tool of science. If the first one breaks (no difference) then the likelihood is that the second will prevail. It is not proof in the sense of a natural law, it is a step in the process of approximation of reality.

There are probably at least as many predictions are there are climate scientists and I wouldn't be at all surprised if there weren't more predictions than there are climate scientists. As data and theory become more clearly understood then predictions will shift. It happens in every field of science, a continuing series of successive refinements. It is either terribly naive or unfair to to ask for a single prediction from an evolving field of research.

Climate and weather work at different time and geographical scales. You confuse the two and so, pose a false logical opposition between them.

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Sorry, but peer review said, "Yessir, they be right." It was whistle-blowers that caught them.

I vote for your Bush as Big Brother pic as best youv'e come up with so far, by the way. very nice.

The implication is absurd, of course, but the picture is a good one to make your point, regardless of how inane it is. LOL.
As usual, you do not know what you are talking about.

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Peer reviews of cold fusion is accessed by a link at the bottom of the page.

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Like I said, Dave, buy yourself a subscription to the Scientific American. I know that it is secretly printed by the ACLU, but I am sure you will get around that somehow and see what scientists are actually saying. You essentially believe in a flat earth, go see what the guys who think the earth is round are saying.
What's w/ you and SA? It isn't all that respected among scientists. Kind of like Popular Mechanics for mechanics.

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It's not for scientists, its for people who are interested in a concise explanation of the latest in scientific thought who are not experts in that particular field. I'm not a climatologist, but I am interest in the latest thinking in climatology, so I read it. I also am interested in the latest work done in the field of anatomic introduction of foreign objects into the human body, and I reccommend to you the issue on how to pound sand up your ass.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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It's not for scientists, its for people who are interested in a concise explanation of the latest in scientific thought who are not experts in that particular field. I'm not a climatologist, but I am interest in the latest thinking in climatology, so I read it. I also am interested in the latest work done in the field of anatomic introduction of foreign objects into the human body, and I reccommend to you the issue on how to pound sand up your ass.
It is for scientists. It is just too general to be of much use to us, and even less use to lay-people. Real scientists read journals in their own sphere of expertise--I read behavioral science journals for the most part. The problem w/ SA is that it gives novices a false sense of "expertise." And when they try to explain real science to other novices they often over-state the data or mis-state it completely. At least w/ Popular Mechanics, there is real, useful, information designed to inform the layman. No pretense there--just the facts mame, just the facts. And those data are not only understandable, but can safely be disseminated by other novices.

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