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The AEI has the same blinders on that has always led to defeat. We do not have "a country the size of California and a population of 25 million" to deal with. We have a billion and a half Muslims to deal with. These morons think these problems are confined within the imaginary lines drawn by the British in 1919. We have 200 million Arabs to deal with, we have 100 million Iranians to deal with, and out of those numbers there are tens of thousands who will be willing to strap themselves with dynamite and kill themselves, something no occupying army has found a way to defend against. Our problem is that wars of occupation are obsolete. Wars of information and persuasion are not. We lost that war, and are on our way to losing the war of occupation as well.
No FTL what's funny about that comparison is that this fkin outfit of the AEI is squarely putting Iraq as the enemy AGAIN.

What kind of fkin logic school did the guy who wrote this went to? Maybe it is written like that on purpose because that's the only kind of stupidity our ignorant president understands.
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The AEI has the same blinders on that has always led to defeat. We do not have "a country the size of California and a population of 25 million" to deal with. We have a billion and a half Muslims to deal with. These morons think these problems are confined within the imaginary lines drawn by the British in 1919. We have 200 million Arabs to deal with, we have 100 million Iranians to deal with, and out of those numbers there are tens of thousands who will be willing to strap themselves with dynamite and kill themselves, something no occupying army has found a way to defend against. Our problem is that wars of occupation are obsolete. Wars of information and persuasion are not. We lost that war, and are on our way to losing the war of occupation as well.
Well and concisely put. (Again) thank you
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Bill Kristol had to add his comments exaclty inline with the document I first posted. This is now turning into a campaign.

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Kristol believes Bush mulling more than 'short term surge'

Neoconservative pundit Bill Kristol believes that any increase of U.S. troops in Iraq must be a permanent increase to achieve success.
"There's no point having a short term surge," Kristol said on Fox News Channel. "Especially, if it's proclaimed ahead of time that it's just short term. Then [the enemy] goes into hiding for 3 or 6 months."
"We pull back and we're in the same situation," the Weekly Standard editor said. "Bush will commit -- I believe, when he speaks in a couple of weeks -- to doing this. That this is a strategy for victory and that he's willing to do this for the remaining 2 years of his presidency."
Forcasting the president's plan for Iraq, Kristol adds, "I think [Bush] will say 'We can win. We have to win. We're going to increase troop levels as part of a new strategy for the sake of victory.' And, so, it will not be a short term surge."
Kristol respects the president for increasing troops against conventional wisdom in D.C. and against the wishes of public sentiment, but mocks the majority of people that have doubts about a troop increase, saying, "This is a remarkable moment, though. I came to Washington 30 years ago. How often does a president go against -- what Juan referred to -- the wider consensus in this town, 'the military solution isn't possible?' It's a very broad consensus of the establishment and, I think, that's why there's so much anger among the establishment-types. 'Gee. The Baker-Hamilton Commission pronounced its verdict. And how dare the president make up his own mind and decide that he's not just going to just gracefully accept defeat with this nice bi-partisan patina of the Baker-Hamilton Commission. How dare he decide that we might win in Iraq."
Kristol praises the president's embrace of the neocon-preferred Iraq plan and compares him to President Reagan, saying, "It's nice to see a president showing leadership and courage. It reminds me that the only time I've really seen this was Reagan at Reykjavik [talks] in 1987. He turned down Gorbachev's -- what was thought to be, a very generous offer. You remember this well -- to get rid of so many weapons. And Reagan said, 'No. We're not getting rid of SDI [aka Star Wars]' He went against the bipartisan consensus, the conventional wisdom. He was right and this time Bush is going to do it. It's impressive. It's impressive to take charge in this way."
Juan Williams thinks that it may be too early to praise President Bush for an expected increase in Iraq troops. Expressing his doubts, Williams says to Kristol, "So, you can dress up the fact that [the president] might be wrong, but he might be wrong. And he's been wrong. One of the theories here, if you wanted a troop increase, it should have been done several years ago. And we have tried it, Fred. You say I'm wrong but, Fred, this has been tried -- to secure Baghdad -- this is not a new idea. We tried it and it didn't work."
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Iraq has shattered into hundreds of militias, terrorist cells, religious wackos, Arab socialists and Iranian stooges. It is simply Somalia, a land ruled by warlordism, where our own Republican Militia is simply the largest and best organized gang. We are now caught in the crossfire of all of these nuts, after losing control of the country by not sending enough troops. It is as if it was planned: first, let's arm them to the teeth, by letting them have unfettered access to Saddam's arsenals. Stand by while they loot everything so they get the message that the last ones who will enforce law and order is us: w're just there for the oil.Next, let's put in a "government" that can't even walk out of the green zone without getting blown up. Then, form a police and army out of only one faction so that no one in the country trusts them and so no one will count on them for law and order. Next, allow religious partied to form militias. It is if we had planned for exactly what we have: a land where war will never cease, a wonderland for Halliburton, The Carlyle Group, General Dynamics and General Electric can live happily ever after in their world of never ending death. Are we doing anything different in Iran? Let's attack Iraq, and allow Iran to become more and more powerful, meaning the adjoining states will buy more fighter planes, more tanks, more weapons of all kinds as they live in fear. All is going exactly to plan.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address

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Attacking Iran is not going to make it any easier. Iran is a much tougher nut to crack.
By the way, when we allowed all the lootings the only thing we protected was the ministry of oil. That again should be an indication of our main concerns.
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The American public might have Bush's presidency for this if he tries to force it.
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The American public might have Bush's presidency for this if he tries to force it.
I am afraid that his machine has already poisoned enough people to still believe in his vision. The guages and Jayhawks are the majority Shane, they were sold that Iraq was behind 911 just like they will be sold whatever other shit he wants on Iran.
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I assume he will be asking the twins to uphold the family honor and serve in Iraq.

How about asking everyone who voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 to write an additional say $5000 to the IRS this tax season to help cover the war they think is such a great idea.
I can't agree with you more.

OK, Bot, Bruce, Jayhawk, Guage. Pay up!!!

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The American public might have Bush's presidency for this if he tries to force it.
You cannot really believe that Shane, you got more common sense than that. What are they going to do, not elect him for a 3rd term? Take away his retirement presedential benefits? What the fuck can they do? Impeach him? No way No how, get out of here.
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I am afraid that his machine has already poisoned enough people to still believe in his vision. The guages and Jayhawks are the majority Shane, they were sold that Iraq was behind 911 just like they will be sold whatever other shit he wants on Iran.
Although not present nor even visited the States in the last 18 years I have never been convinced that the majority of the American people were sold on Iraq being responsible or even partially responsible for 911. I still think they were not really thinking about who was responsible they just wanted some good ole american revenge.

Since you have brought up Iran and Bush selling his plan, without bringing Israel (your old standby) in to the argument and taking in to account the Chinese and Russians not doing anytihng to help us with their good friend, and also not forgetting that the UN is as useless as tits on Kamil, what would you do, what would be the PP (Professor's Plan) for Iran?
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