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You sound like fvcking Bush himself, you brainwashed fvck. Those scare tactics don't work any more. Save it for your 3-year old grandson.
I might as well save it for the kid, he's smarter then you are anyway....

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We will really see a bloodbath if we pull out? You mean more than we have now? The place would be better of if it descended into warloardism than the fucking hellhole we have given them. Just look at the Kurds, that is what the fuck the rest of Iraq ought to look like, and if we left, it would, these people would natural migrate to their homelands and let their traditional militias protect them.
Are you completely out of your mind, or are you just playing the part?
The Kurds are not and never were a problem, the two sects in the South are the ones that can't get along, and never could. The "Hellhole" as you put it is of their own making, we gave them an opportunity to make themselves a better Iraq, and they chose to fight amongst themselves. Do you think that if we pulled out it wouldn't get worse? Are you truly MAD or just stupid?
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and if we left, it would, these people would natural migrate to their homelands and let their traditional militias protect them.
You're probably right, they're doing just that in Darfur aren't they? You prove what a mindless, biased, jerk you are every time you post something like this....

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How is it of their own making? Saddam seemed to have things under control before we decided we could do better. All we had to do was keep our eye on the ball and mind our own business.

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The guy is a buffoon. The Iraqis are now to blame for us slaughtering, torturing and raping them all in the name of WMDs that never even existed.


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Saddam seemed to have things under control before we decided we could do better. All we had to do was keep our eye on the ball and mind our own business.
Maybe you missed the part where Saddam "enlightened" all those Kurds in the North? I think Hitler did some similar work in Germany, he had fairly decent "control" too didn't he?

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So, in your mind, the United States has some portion of our Constitution that commands we immediately go to the aid of the world's oppressed?

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Maybe you missed the part where Saddam "enlightened" all those Kurds in the North? I think Hitler did some similar work in Germany, he had fairly decent "control" too didn't he?
Bruce, is that why we went to war in Iraq?
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The guy is a buffoon. The Iraqis are now to blame for us slaughtering, torturing and raping them all in the name of WMDs that never even existed.
Maybe you can point out exactly where I stated that gem Moron.....
Damn near ALL of the recent violence in Iraq has been caused by Iraqis themselves and other Muslim insurgents. Sader has something like 65,000 partisan troops at his disposal, are they being used to keep the peace or destroy it? Are they American or Iraqi? If you are so blind that you can't see that there is a power struggle going on over there, and that it is being caused by religious nonsense, then you are not only blind, but just as stupid as you show yourself to be every time you post this crap.

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You mean the Kurds who had offered support to Al Qaeda? Given the situation in Iraq, it should be painfully obvious to you by now that a brutal dictator is/was required to maintain stability there. And unless you believe we could have marched into Germany and successfully usurped their entire government in a matter of days, you'll have to concede that your analogy is rather foolish. Iraq couldn't even defend its own borders, let alone threaten ours, nor could they in 1991 when they had 10 times the might they had in 2003. Since our utter failure, civil war, and massive bloodshed were an obvious outcome of our invasion to anyone who knew anything about the region before we went in, why would anyone have ever supported it? The harsh, cold slap of reality has long since removed denial from the table.

Picture a world with secure U.S. borders, a stable Iraq, a relatively quiet Iran, a dead Bin Laden, and a completely toothless and defeated Al Qaeda. That is the world we would probably be living in right now, had our leadership responded responsibly to the 9/11 attack.

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You mean the Kurds who had offered support to Al Qaeda? Given the situation in Iraq, it should be painfully obvious to you by now that a brutal dictator is/was required to maintain stability there. And unless you believe we could have marched into Germany and successfully usurped their entire government in a matter of days, you'll have to concede that you analogy is rather foolish. Iraq couldn't even defend its own borders, let alone threaten ours, nor could they in 1991 when they had 10 times the might they had in 2003. Since our utter failure, civil war, and massive bloodshed were an obvious outcome of our invasion to anyone who knew anything about the region before we went in, why would anyone have ever supported it? The harsh, cold slap of reality has long since removed denial from the table.

Picture a world with secure U.S. borders, a stable Iraq, a relative quiet Iran, a dead Bin Laden, and a completely toothless and defeated Al Qaeda. That is the world we would probably be living in right now, had our leadership responded properly to the 9/11 attack.
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