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ACLU at it again

I wonder what was in that document?

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Published on Friday, December 15, 2006 by the Associated Press
ACLU: Grand-jury Subpoena "Chilling"
by Larry Neumeister


The American Civil Liberties Union says there's nothing particularly remarkable about a classified document it received this fall — nothing except the government's efforts to get it back.

The civil-rights group said this week that it was handed a grand-jury subpoena from the U.S. attorney's office in Manhattan on Nov. 20, nearly a month after the ACLU received the document unsolicited and soon after it refused to comply with a prosecutor's demands to turn it over.

The ACLU filed papers under seal in U.S. District Court seeking a judicial order letting it keep the 3 ½-page document, which it said pertains to anti-terrorism efforts. The group called the government's move an attempt to discourage scrutiny.

"The government's attempt to suppress information using the grand-jury process is truly chilling and is unprecedented in law and in the ACLU's history," said ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero. "We recognize this maneuver for what it is: a patent attempt to intimidate and impede the work of human-rights advocates like the ACLU who seek to expose government wrongdoing."

The U.S. Attorney's Office had no immediate comment, spokeswoman Yusill Scribner said.

Content not revealed

The ACLU did not reveal the content of the document but said it "provides a set of general policy guidelines on a matter of long-standing concern to the ACLU."

The group noted that its issues of long-standing concern include the government's execution of its "war on terror" and attempts to get documents related to government policies and practices regarding torture and the government's compliance with the Geneva Conventions.

The ACLU said it also has pressed the government to renounce torture and other forms of cruel, unusual and degrading treatment and to hold accountable senior officials who authorized or condoned such activities.

"Mildly embarrassing"

In court papers unsealed Wednesday, the group said the document might be "mildly embarrassing" to the government but could not threaten national security and did not concern troop movements, communications methods, intelligence sources or the like.

Romero said the subpoena served no legitimate investigative purpose and trampled on fundamental First Amendment rights, adding that it was the "first time in our 86-year history we've been asked to make a document disappear from our files."

ACLU Legal Director Steven Shapiro said the most significant thing about the case was not the content of the document, "but the government's unprecedented effort to suppress it."

The ACLU said the subpoena refers to the Espionage Act, but the group has been told that it is not a target of the investigation.

In court documents, the ACLU said its lawyers could not find a reported judicial ruling that even mentions, much less enforces, a subpoena like the one it received.

"The grand jury cannot be used, as it is being used here, for the purpose of suppressing information," the ACLU said.

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We should all be very pleased that we have an institution like the ACLU that keeps an eye on any institution (secular or sectarian) that attempts to freeze our thinking.

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We should all be very pleased that we have an institution like the ACLU that keeps an eye on any institution (secular or sectarian) that attempts to freeze our thinking.
I know that but my "why" was for the "here we go again" statement.
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"Here we go again" sounds like a refernce to the "game of law" the ACLU loves to play. Most think in terms of the rule of law. Liberals see it as a game with high stakes.

Someone broke the law when they stole the document and gave it to the ACLU.

If the contents are so grave that this was warranted, then let him step forward.

If you believe the ACLU, and the contents are simply "mildly embarrassing", then throw him in jail. Sounds like a politically motivated action.

If egregious crimes were uncovered, the leaker will be heralded as a hero by everyone instead of just liberals.
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We should all be very pleased that we have an institution like the ACLU that keeps an eye on any institution (secular or sectarian) that attempts to freeze our thinking.
What happens when that "institution" has "frozen thinking" of its own? That worries me even more...

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The sight of crosses and ten commandments are scary stuff to some.


"Our concern is that of the reaonable person" and that "the ACLU....does not embody the reasonable person".

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The sight of crosses and ten commandments are scary stuff to some.


"Our concern is that of the reaonable person" and that "the ACLU....does not embody the reasonable person".
Here Christmas is properly celebrated as a fine commercial holiday. No need to have a fictional Christ detracting from the holiday.

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While the bulk of the ACLU's cases involve the First Amendment, Equal Protection, Due Process, and the right to privacy (see, e.g., the Louisiana chapter [32]), the organization has taken positions on a wide range of issues. Broadly, the ACLU supports:


Religious Liberty: Defends the individual right of Americans of all religions to practice and/or display affirmations of their faith in public, but not on public property with government sponsorship or endorsement.[33][34]
Separation of church and state; under this mandate, the ACLU:
Opposes the government-sponsored display of religious symbols on public property;
Opposes official prayers, religious ceremonies, and some kinds of "moments of silence"[35] in public schools or schools funded with public money;
Full freedom of speech and of the press, including school newspapers;
Reproductive rights, including the right to use contraception and to have an abortion;
Full civil rights for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender people, including government benefits for homosexual couples equal to those provided for heterosexual ones;
Affirmative action as a means of redressing past discrimination and achieving a racially diverse student body;[36]
The rights of defendants and suspects against unconstitutional police practices;
The decriminalization of drugs such as heroin, cocaine and marijuana;[37]
Privacy as it "works to preserve the American tradition that the government not track individuals or violate privacy unless it has evidence of wrongdoing."[38]
Immigrants' rights by "challenging unconstitutional laws and practices, countering the myths upon which many of these laws are based."[39]
The ACLU has opposed some campaign finance laws such as the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, which it considers an inappropriate restriction upon freedom of expression. It does not have a policy of blanket opposition to all laws on campaign finance.[40]

While the ACLU does oppose the use of crosses in public monuments,[41][42] there have been false allegations that the ACLU has urged the removal of cross-shaped headstones from federal cemeteries and has opposed prayer by soldiers; such charges have been deemed to be urban legends.[43]

While some stands of the aclu may seem honerable, many are killing morality in America.

Seems to me much of the goodness of our country is opposed by the aclu. My opinion and you are intitled to it.


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