If you watch the net cast, David Brooks makes a brutal point. The first choice of all Iraqis is revenge and justice. Sunnis want a return to a Sunni dominated state, so they can take revenge on the Shiites. Shiites want a Shiite state, so they can have their revenge on the Sunnis. The Kurds want a state, so they can drive out both of them. No one really cares what form these states might take, they just want one. Their second choice might be democracy, but at this point even that is doubtful. We are asking our boys to die for an Iraqi Democracy, that is the entire strategy of the Bush Admin.
It is time to be honest. It is not just the message we are sending, it is the truth of the message. We must face up to it. In the first half of the program, Gingrich pretty much sums up the case that I and most of us on the center and left here on this forum have been making for years now - this was poorly planned, poorly executed and poorly thought out. In many ways, this war started as an evil act. Do we continue on with this, or admit we blew it? The way to win the war is to send the 400,000 troops that Bush was originally was told would be necessary to win this war, by actual military commanders who had been in Iraq for a decade. Instead Bush listened to a man who was a born asshole, narcissistic nitwit Donald Rumsfeld, and went for war on the cheap. Are you ready for sending 400,000? Do you think the country will do that? If it won't, we are essentially murdering our boys.
The saddest thing now is McCain is right, and now no one is listening. This nation should have went on a total war footing on Sept 12, 2001. If we were going to invade Iraq, we should have done so with the seriousness our grandfathers gave to those who attacked us at Pearl Harbor, not with 140,000 troops, not even a third of what we sent to Vietnam and a pittance compared to WWII. In 1941, within weeks, this country was at total war. Instead of tax cuts and cheap gas, we should have converted the economy to one necessary for waging all out war in Somalia, Afghanistan, Iran and the tribal areas of Pakistan, paid the taxes necessary to do that patriotically and gladly, and became willing to fight the home front war by getting the fuck off the gasoline habit.
The military of this country, hell it was Tommy Franks himself, presented that as a war plan in days after Sept 11. Total war, with massive invasions of Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, and an attack on Pakistan if necessary. Bush vetoed the plan (read the book "Fiasco" if you want the historical record on this). Franks was astonished when Bush told him no, he wanted a war plan for a cheesy little war in Iraq, a pushover country that had been battered by a massive American attack followed by a decade of sanctions, cruise missile attacks, bombings, and the utter destruction of it's air force. The sanctions wrecked Iraq's economy, and it was a country that had no industrial base to begin with. Some smuckass data analyst in Houston like me knew all that, and felt that the idea of war in Iraq was insane, which means they knew it was insane too, yet did it anyway, for ulterior reasons not related to the problem at hand, because their actions did not address the problem at hand - the behavior of con men and frauds.
This was obvious to anyone who knew the political situation in Iraq. The internal issue in Iraq since 1920 has been a socialist movement suppressing and attempting to end 1400 years of Islamic rule in Iraq, to the point they had completely taken over Iraqi society. They were a nasty, brutish dictatorship, but they served some American interests, so they were allowed to escape with their lives after Gulf War I, a move we all now know in hindsight was smart for one main reason: Whatever problems we had with Iraq, they were our friends, not our enemies, in the war against Jihadism, and America has much more to fear from worldwide Jihadism then we do from pan-Arab socialism.
The centers of Jihadism are in Iran and Saudi Arabia, and the Wahabbi Sect in Arabia had created spin offs of terrorist Jihadists in Somolia and Afghanistan, one of whom killed 3,000 of our people. So what the fuck has been going on for the last four years? We never attacked those who attack us in a way that would destroy them. We attacked some other country for who knows what reason, at this point. It is as if there is something going on behind the scenes, some reason we have attacked those who could be useful to us while not attacking those who want to kill us with the same energy we pursued the Japanese with. What is it? It is time to face up to the facts: our boys are dying for nothing. NOTHING. They should know that. It is after all, their lives.
Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.
-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
Last edited by FeelTheLove; 12-17-2006 at 12:00 PM.