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Bush told situation in Iraq is grave. His response? Same old con.


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After meeting with defense officials yesterday, George W. Bush began to explain why he had postponed until next year a speech announcing the new "way forward" in Iraq. Then he caught himself, apparently aware that he was about to diverge from the official White House line that no speech -- and hence, no decision -- had actually been scheduled for December in the first place.

"I put off my speech -- actually, I was quite flexible about when I was going to give my speech, to begin with," the president said. Then he explained that "one of the main reasons" he'd put off the speech -- or been "flexible" about the speech or whatever -- was that he really wants "the new secretary of defense to have time to get to know people and hear people and be a part of this deliberation. And he will not be sworn in until next Monday."

The president is right about that: Bob Gates won't be sworn into office until Monday. But it's probably fair to note here that the Senate confirmed the Gates nomination on Dec. 6, and the new secretary could have been sworn in immediately thereafter. That's the sort of timetable the White House seemed to appreciate when Samuel Alito was confirmed for a seat on the Supreme Court earlier this year; Alito was confirmed by the Senate around lunchtime on Jan. 31, and he was sworn into office during a White House ceremony the very same day. There was no real urgency for the Alito swearing in; Sandra Day O'Connor was on the job and wouldn't be leaving until Alito arrived. But Bush was to give his State of the Union address that evening, and it sure was nice for him to be able to talk then about the "superb new member" of the Supreme Court.

There would seem to be a little more urgency to get the new secretary of defense on the job now; at least 15 U.S. soldiers and hundreds if not thousands of Iraqis have been killed since the Senate confirmed Gates eight days ago. But for whatever reason -- Gates' need to wrap up work at his old job, the president's need for a little more time, Rumsfeld's desire for an extended farewell -- everyone will need to wait a few more days for the formality of a swearing-in ceremony.

Even then, Bush has made it clear that he won't be in much of a hurry. "I will be delivering my -- my plans, after a long deliberation, after steady deliberation," Bush said yesterday. "I'm not going to be rushed into making a difficult decision."

We're all for "steady deliberation," especially when there's time for doing it. But when we hear the president talk about all the time he needs to think about the "way forward" in Iraq, we can't help remembering the rushed way he took the country into war in the first place. No Americans were dying -- as it turns out, no Americans were even at risk -- when Bush declared in March 2003 that he couldn't wait any longer before going to war. Is it really too much to ask that he bring the same sense of urgency to the job now?

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That's good. He is digging the hole deeper for himself as the killing and dying ain't gonna stop. He is not smart enough to know when to hold them and when to fold them. The fvcker is a total waste of oxygen.

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His foot dragging will blow up in his face. They had five experts on the Middle East today on NPR, ranging from your typical liberal professors to Adelman, the noted neo-con, and all agreed that events in Iraq are spiraling out of control and all agreed on essential facts:

1) The Iraqi government not only does not work, it is never going to work. It's design is it's destruction.

2) The idea that Sunnis and Shiites will suddenly break out in a fit of joyous brotherhood and embrace each other as fellow countrymen is a fool's idea, and the intellectual underpinning of all of Bush's 'Victory In Iraq' political prouncements is this incredibly foolish idea. Since the entire American military presence is based on a foolish idea, it is now a fools errand. Either Bush needs to redefine the mission to somehow make sense and remove the foolish idea as the intellectual foundation of all he has to say these days, or he needs to get out of Iraq. His claim this is all "complicated" is false: it comes down to those two arguments: find a real reason to stay, or get out.

3) The combination of our inabilty to solve the problems in Palestine coupled with our seemingly forever occupation of Iraq is undermining moderate Arab governments. The moderate government of Lebanon is near collapse, Hamas is growing in power in Jordan, and al Queda is on the sidelines ready to move into any and all failed states that result. If the government of Saudi Arabia collapses, there are only different degrees of Muslim nuts waiting to take its place.

4) The most likely outcome of our current policy in Iraq is destabilization of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Syria, with simply a repeat of our experience in Iraq - social and cultural collapse followed by Sunni and Shiite militia formations. One expert called it "government by Lord of The Flies", which he also stated was the current government of Iraq. The result will be that Iran will win the propaganda war in the Middle East, saying that Radical Islamic Republicanism leads to stabilty, while the governmental forms we attempt to introduce lead to chaos. Who can argue with that now?, I say.

These were consensus views - the three things that experts on the right and left agreed are currently true. And Bush has time to make videos with his fucking dog. Any arguments from our cadres here on these four points?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address

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Read the points above, then read today's news.

Gunmen kill Shiite tribal sheik in Basra
Elsewhere in Iraq, two U.S. Marines and one soldier killed


Updated: 1:10 p.m. ET Dec 15, 2006
BAGHDAD, Iraq -(AP) Gunmen killed a Shiite tribal sheik linked to British forces in a drive-by shooting Friday in the southern city of Basra, while two Marines and a soldier were reported killed in fighting elsewhere in Iraq.

One Marine assigned to Regimental Combat Team 5 and one Marine assigned to Regimental Combat Team 7 died Thursday after fighting in Anbar province, an insurgent stronghold, the military said. In Ninevah province to the northwest, a soldier assigned to the 4th Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division, was killed Tuesday, the military said.

The deaths raise to 54 the number of American troops who have died in December, which is on track to become one of the deadliest months of the war. At least 2,942 members of the U.S. military have died since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

Iraqi police said two car bombs being driven by suicide attackers exploded at U.S. checkpoints in the militant base of the Anbar provincial capital of Ramadi and American soldiers opened fire to foil one of the attacks, an Iraqi police lieutenant said on condition of anonymity because he was concerned for his safety. He said four Iraqi civilians were killed.

The U.S. military said it had no reports of suicide car bombings in Ramadi.

A senior official from the Iraqi Red Crescent, meanwhile, claimed that harassment from U.S. forces is a greater threat to his group’s work than insurgent attacks.

“The main problem we are facing is the American forces more than the other forces,” Dr. Jamal al-Karbouli, vice president of the Iraqi Red Crescent, said in Geneva.

Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, said the U.S.-led coalition forces “strive to ensure they are respectful when they conduct interaction with the local population.”

The slain cleric, Muhsin al-Kanan, was a member of the provisional council in Iraq’s second-largest city, 340 miles southeast of Baghdad, and had good relations with British forces in the area, police said.

Britain has about 7,200 troops in southern Iraq, mostly in and around Basra, and Shiite factions and militias have been fighting for control of the area as they begin to withdraw from some of the provinces in the region. Attacks by insurgents from Iraq’s Sunni Arab minority also have occurred in the area.

In a separate drive-by shooting, in Kut, 100 miles southeast of Baghdad, gunmen opened fire on a civilian near a bus station, killing him, police said.

Relative calm in Baghdad
Little violence was reported in Baghdad on Friday, the traditional Muslim day of prayer during which a weekly four-hour vehicle ban is imposed, after a week in which the capital was struck by several deadly car bombs and a mass kidnapping in a major commercial district.

Gunmen in military uniforms drove into a commercial district in the capital and seized dozens of shopkeepers and bystanders from the streets on Thursday. Police said at least 25 of the hostages had been released but would not comment on how many remained in custody.

Interior Ministry spokesman Brig. Abdul-Karim Khalaf said only three of those who had been released had come to the ministry to provide information about the case. “We are questioning them while the others went home directly,” he said.

Another policeman, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of security concerns, said three witnesses said they had been handcuffed and blindfolded before they were released late Thursday in a predominantly Shiite neighborhood.

A Shiite cleric, meanwhile, called for U.S. forces to leave the country and warned the “bloodshed will continue” if Iraq’s politicians continue fighting each other.

The comments by Sheik Abdul-Hadi al-Mohammadawi during his Friday sermon in the Shiite district of Sadr City, came on the eve of a national reconciliation conference aimed at rallying ethnic, religious and political groups around a common strategy for handling Iraq’s problems.

© 2006 The Associated Press.

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Tis simple actually, you all know he is sending in more troops after Xmas and New Years celebrations subside. Of course he will wait until after the Idul Adhah (Muslim giving thanks and sacrificial day which falls this year right around our New Years celebrations, It is written on the wall for all to read.
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His foot dragging will blow up in his face. They had five experts on the Middle East today on NPR, ranging from your typical liberal professors to Adelman, the noted neo-con, and all agreed that events in Iraq are spiraling out of control and all agreed on essential facts:

1) The Iraqi government not only does not work, it is never going to work. It's design is it's destruction.

2) The idea that Sunnis and Shiites will suddenly break out in a fit of joyous brotherhood and embrace each other as fellow countrymen is a fool's idea, and the intellectual underpinning of all of Bush's 'Victory In Iraq' political prouncements is this incredibly foolish idea. Since the entire American military presence is based on a foolish idea, it is now a fools errand. Either Bush needs to redefine the mission to somehow make sense and remove the foolish idea as the intellectual foundation of all he has to say these days, or he needs to get out of Iraq. His claim this is all "complicated" is false: it comes down to those two arguments: find a real reason to stay, or get out.

3) The combination of our inabilty to solve the problems in Palestine coupled with our seemingly forever occupation of Iraq is undermining moderate Arab governments. The moderate government of Lebanon is near collapse, Hamas is growing in power in Jordan, and al Queda is on the sidelines ready to move into any and all failed states that result. If the government of Saudi Arabia collapses, there are only different degrees of Muslim nuts waiting to take its place.

4) The most likely outcome of our current policy in Iraq is destabilization of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Syria, with simply a repeat of our experience in Iraq - social and cultural collapse followed by Sunni and Shiite militia formations. One expert called it "government by Lord of The Flies", which he also stated was the current government of Iraq. The result will be that Iran will win the propaganda war in the Middle East, saying that Radical Islamic Republicanism leads to stabilty, while the governmental forms we attempt to introduce lead to chaos. Who can argue with that now?, I say.

These were consensus views - the three things that experts on the right and left agreed are currently true. And Bush has time to make videos with his fucking dog. Any arguments from our cadres here on these four points?
Still no comments by our forum Bush Bootlick Squad on these four points? They are irrefutable at this point, are they not?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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