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Ex-Rep. Barr Quits GOP for Libertarians
Dec 15 6:06 PM US/Eastern

By BEN EVANS
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON

A former Georgia congressman who helped spark President Clinton's impeachment has quit the Republican Party to become a Libertarian, saying he is disillusioned with the GOP on issues such as spending and privacy.

Bob Barr, who served eight years as a Republican congressman before losing his seat in 2002, announced Friday that he is now a "proud, card-carrying Libertarian." And he encouraged others to join him.

"It's something that's been bothering me for quite some time, the direction in which the party has been going more and more toward big government and disregard toward privacy and civil liberties," said Barr, 58, a lawyer and consultant living in Atlanta. "In terms of where the country needs to be going to get back to our constitutional roots ... I've come to the conclusion that the only way to do that is to work with a party that practices what it preaches, and that is the Libertarian Party."

Barr said he has no plans to run for office. In his new role as the Libertarian Party's regional representative for the South, he will help promote the party's message and recruit candidates, he said.

Barr helped manage the House Republicans' impeachment case before the Senate in 1999.
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he's a goof. I mean anyone that would marry Roseanne is freakin stupid.
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Funny how things work out. The Greens would have destroyed the Democrats if the Republicans had just stayed to the middle. Instead they went so far to the right they scared the hell out of everyone, sending both the middle and the enviro-left back to the Democrats out of sheer fear, while inexplicitly spending like drunken sailors. Now I think the Republicans are in much more danger of meltdown by defection to the Libonauts than the Dems ever were from the Greens.

Opportunism is at work here as well. Barr was a darling of the Religous Fascists until someone divulged to the press that he had paid for his knocked-up daughter's abortion, even going so far as arranging the abortion in another state. So we must adjust our old saws: A Conservative is a Liberal who has been mugged, while a Liberal is a Conservative who has been arrested, while a Liberatarian is a Conservative who has been exposed as a hypocrite. On that alone I predict a swelling of their ranks.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address

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I hope so. I don't give a damn which house falls first. After one falls, the reason for the other's existence disappears and the remaining house must change or collapse without the prop of external "evil".
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Oh, neither will fall, but the Libernauts have a historic opportunity to grab huge chunks from both parties. Unfortunately, their emphasis on rugged individualism means they suck at team work. Their party is poorly organized and incoherent. Many of them, like yourself, stray off into Republicanism when it comes to civil liberties. If they stopped that shit, the entire ACLU would join up.

While I rarely agree with them, Ron Paul, who is the only Libertarian elected to national office (he does list himself as a Republican however), is probably the best Congressman from Texas. He refuses all corporate contributions, taking money from individuals only, he votes against all spending bills that have even a hint of pork, is a great civil libertarian and routinely gets re-elected by huge majorities. The Libonauts need to find out what brand of whiskey he drinks and start drinking it. The guy is a model for what we really should have in there. Now watch, he'll probably be arrested for having sex with buffalo.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Paul's website is better than some columnist's. This week, he has one post I doubt you would agree with:

Who Makes Foreign Policy?
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December 11, 2006

The Iraq Study Group released its report last week, giving the president several recommendations to consider in prosecuting the war. Similarly, the incoming Democratic leaders in Congress promise to urge the President to take a new course in Iraq. Meanwhile, one newly elected member of Congress was asked on national television about the Iraq war. She responded by saying she had no real opinion, and that foreign policy was “up to the president.”

In each instance, it is assumed that the president will make Iraq policy. I’m not talking about the details of actual military operations in Iraq; I’m talking about the broader policy questions of how long our troops will stay, how many will stay, and how victory will be defined.

The media, Congress, and the American public all seem to have accepted something that is patently untrue: namely, that foreign policy is the domain of the president and not Congress. This is absolutely not the case and directly contrary to what our founding fathers wanted.

The role of the president as Commander in Chief is to direct our armed forces in carrying out policies established by the American people through their representatives in Congress. He is not authorized to make those policies. He is an administrator, not a policy maker. Foreign policy, like all federal policy, must be made by Congress. To allow otherwise is to act in contravention of the Constitution.

Library of Congress scholar Louis Fisher, writing in The Oxford Companion to American Military History, summarizes presidential war power:

The president's authority was carefully constrained. The power to repel sudden attacks represented an emergency measure that allowed the president, when Congress was not in session, to take actions necessary to repel sudden attacks either against the mainland of the United States or against American troops abroad. It did not authorize the president to take the country into full-scale war or mount an offensive attack against another nation.

But it’s not simply the decision to wage war that is left to Congress. Consider also the words of James Madison:

Those who are to conduct a war cannot in the nature of things, be proper or safe judges, whether a war ought to be commenced, continued, or concluded. They are barred from the latter functions by a great principle in free government, analogous to that which separates the sword from the purse, or the power of executing from the power of enacting laws (italics added).

So Congress is charged not only with deciding when to go to war, but also how to conduct-- and bring to a conclusion-- properly declared wars. Of course the administration has some role to play in making treaties, and the State Department should pursue beneficial diplomacy. But the notion that presidents should establish our broader foreign policy is dangerous and wrong. No single individual should be entrusted with the awesome responsibility of deciding when to send our troops abroad, how to employ them once abroad, and when to bring them home. This is why the founders wanted Congress, the body most directly accountable to the public, to make critical decisions about war and peace.

It is shameful that Congress ceded so much of its proper authority over foreign policy to successive presidents during the 20th century, especially when it failed to declare war in Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo, and Iraq. It’s puzzling that Congress is so willing to give away one of its most important powers, when most members from both parties work incessantly to expand the role of Congress in domestic matters. By transferring its role in foreign policy to the President, Congress not only violates the Constitution, but also disenfranchises the American electorate.

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst121106.htm

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Ex-Rep. Barr Quits GOP for Libertarians
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A former Georgia congressman who helped spark President Clinton's impeachment has quit the Republican Party to become a Libertarian,

Barr said he has no plans to run for office.

Barr helped manage the House Republicans' impeachment case before the Senate in 1999.
Anyone who was part of, not to mention a leader of, the howling cabal out for Bill Clinton's
blood, and stooped to impeachment over a silly sex escapade, should be disregarded.

If the Libertarians were smart, they'd imediately disassociate themselves from this creepy individual.
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Did anyone catch him in the movie "Borat"?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Anyone who was part of, not to mention a leader of, the howling cabal out for Bill Clinton's
blood, and stooped to impeachment over a silly sex escapade, should be disregarded.

If the Libertarians were smart, they'd imediately disassociate themselves from this creepy individual.
Gotta disagree on that one. It's one of those perspective thingies.

For the people who voted for impeachment, it was about lying under oath. For the people who backed Clinton, it was about sex.

The fed judge agreed about the lying and disbarred him. Between being impeached and disbarred, he's paid for his crime.

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