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Confessions of a Neocon

It' a very long read but enlightening

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040223/lind

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... Unfortunately for them, a political ideology can fail in the real world only so many times before being completely discredited. For at least two decades, in foreign policy the neocons have been wrong about everything. When the Soviet Union was on the verge of collapse, the hawks of Team B and the Committee on the Present Danger declared that it was on the verge of world domination. In the 1990s they exaggerated the power and threat of China, once again putting ideology ahead of the sober analysis of career military and intelligence experts. The neocons were so obsessed with Saddam Hussein and Yasir Arafat that they missed the growing threat of Al Qaeda. After 9/11 they pushed the irrelevant panaceas of preventive war and missile defense as solutions to the problems of hijackers and suicide bombers.

They said Saddam had WMDs. He didn't. They said he was in league with Osama bin Laden. He wasn't. They predicted that no major postwar insurgency in Iraq would occur. It did. They said there would be a wave of pro-Americanism in the Middle East and the world if the United States acted boldly and unilaterally. Instead, there was a regional and global wave of anti-Americanism.
David Brooks and his colleagues in the neocon press are half right. There is no neocon network of scheming masterminds--only a network of scheming blunderers. As a result of their own amateurism and incompetence, the neoconservatives have humiliated themselves. If they now claim that they never existed--well, you can hardly blame them, can you?
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The cynical way in which the Bush Administration lied to Congress and the American people to justify an invasion of Iraq planned years before September 11, 2001, by Wolfowitz and many of his PNAC allies came as no surprise to me, a former neocon. In an anthology titled The Fettered Presidency published by the American Enterprise Institute in 1989, Irving Kristol wrote that "if the president goes to the American people and wraps himself in the American flag and lets Congress wrap itself in the white flag of surrender, the president will win.... The American people had never heard of Grenada. There was no reason why they should have. The reason we gave for the intervention--the risk to American medical students there--was phony but the reaction of the American people was absolutely and overwhelmingly favorable. They had no idea what was going on, but they backed the president. They always will."


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A failure of the "vision-thing"

Published on Sunday, March 25, 2007 by Observer/UK

We Failed, Says Pro-War Iraqi

by Peter Beaumont

Kanan Makiya, an Iraqi exile under Saddam and a key intellectual inspiration for the US policy of ‘regime change’ in Iraq, has admitted he failed to foresee the consequences for his country of the invasion four years ago.

In an interview in yesterday’s New York Times, Makiya, author of Republic of Fear, the book that brought the brutality of Saddam Hussein’s regime to international attention, concedes he allowed his own ‘activism’ to sway his judgment and launched a scathing denunciation of US policy after the fall of Baghdad, and of Iraq’s new leadership. In the week of the invasion’s fourth anniversary, the voice that cried loudest for the toppling of Saddam described the day of Saddam’s execution ‘as one of the worst’ of his life.

‘It was a disaster, an unmitigated disaster,’ Makiya said. ‘I was just so upset, even on the verge of tears. It was the antithesis of everything I had been working for. Just like everything about the war, it was an opportunity wasted.’ He catalogued the errors - including his own - that led to the present bloodbath. It is all a remarkable change of tone for the man who was once a friend of Ahmed Chalabi, has been praised in public by Vice President Dick Cheney and is highly regarded by anti-Saddam Iraqi democrats.

Makiya, a professor at Brandeis University in Massachusetts, says his disaffection with the ‘Iraq project’ has been growing for some time. ‘Now it seems necessary to reflect on the society that has gotten itself into this mess. A question that looms more and more for me is: just what did 30 years of dictatorship do to 25 million people?’

Makiya played a strong role in persuading the Bush administration that Iraq’s modernity, secular leadership and high levels of education would permit it to rebound with little need for an intensive nation building effort.

‘It’s not like I didn’t think about this,’ he added. ‘But nonetheless I allowed myself as an activist to put it aside in the hope that it could be worked through, or managed, or exorcised in a way that’s not as violent as is the case now. That did not work out.’

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"Look at the neocon puppet...ignore the abysmal record of liberalism...look at the puppet...aren't neocaons silly? Silly, puppet."

You guys are a riot. Reminds me of the SNL commercial where they scare old people into buying "robot insurance".

Liberalism can't hide behing a tree throwing pebbles into the bushes crying,"Over there....a neocon!" forever.
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Brilliant! That was a nearly textbook example of a blustery non sequitur.
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^^^

hahaha
oh Davey, we got hosed
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Brilliant! That was a nearly textbook example of a blustery non sequitur.
Everything you fail to comprehend is non sequitur to you, I suppose.

The fact is that "Neocon" is simply something to be shouted loudly enough so as to drown out the word "Liberal". "Conservative" never got the traction libs wanted much to their consternation.
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Ummm...oooookay, but what does any of that have to do with this thread?
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"Look at the neocon puppet...ignore the abysmal record of liberalism...look at the puppet...aren't neocaons silly? Silly, puppet."

You guys are a riot. Reminds me of the SNL commercial where they scare old people into buying "robot insurance".

Liberalism can't hide behing a tree throwing pebbles into the bushes crying,"Over there....a neocon!" forever.
I'd be willing to stack the record of Liberalism against that of the NeoCon any day, any week any time.

Let's see, Neocons will jump out of the gate with "Tax and Spend" yet forget to mention bridges to nowhere, boat ramps to buffets, Trillion dollar "no Brainers".

Neocons will hide in the corner on Foreign Policy and Economics [remember that $9T National Debt-$5T added in the past 6 years], $5T Trade Deficit, 3.2M jobs lost to outsourcing.

But Neocons are patriotic so lets look at how well they treat the Vets. Budgets cut, benefits cut, wounded vets treated in squalor.

What about justice. That has always been a strong suit of the Republicans. Did the NeoCons keep that flag flying high? Illegal prisoners, torture, illegal wiretaps, FBI searches “out of scope”, FBI and NYPD tracking church groups protesting the GOP convention in 04. Check, justice covered.

Compassion. Part of the Compassionate Conservative. Must be good. Let’s look at Katrina. That went well. STILL going well. Monies promised not paid, not holding insurance companies to their word, corruption at every level. Heck of a job.

Taking care of those who can’t take care of themselves. Maybe we should just skip that one.

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Ummm...oooookay, but what does any of that have to do with this thread?
Maybe I didn't READ the thread.
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hahaha
oh Davey, we got hosed
What is that picture? It is funny, but I don't know why.
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