Date registered: Sep 2004
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So was Ataturk's Turkey in the 1920! Jeesus man, are you guys ignorant. Where are the Turks now, Bot? This is the problem with you guys, you got utopian fantasies of imposing American conservatism and Jeffersonian democracy on Arabs, when the real world can show you exactly how Muslim states become Democratic. They need a period like that to wring Islam out of the political body, which is just what Saddam Hussein was doing. The reaction to that would eventually be democracy for these people. If your fuckers had actually knew what they were doing in Iraq, they would have allowed a reformed Baath party to operate - it was the only party with both Sunni, Shiite and Arab Chrisitian support, and kept Islam out of the Constitution of Iraq - instead they did the exact opposite, and now we are going to lose. It is the reason we are going to lose. It was the fundemental mistake, it would have prevented the insurgency and the new sectarian power struggle and given these people a chance.
Like Z is trying to tell you, simple logic. Nothing hard here. Jettison your utopian fantasies. Bush's attempt to combine Islam with democracy in Iraq is like trying to put a pig's dick on a crow. Why were all the Islamic Republicans in Iran when Iraq was ruled by Saddam? Because he was going to kill them, that's why, and believe it or not, in that society, that's a good thing. Instead, your idiots put the bastards in charge. Same mistake Carter made when Khomeni knocked off the Shah.
Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.
-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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