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View Poll Results: Should Israel hit Iran's nuclear facilities?
Yes, with our permission 5 17.24%
Yes, without our permission 16 55.17%
No, it is a violation of the international security and stability 3 10.34%
F*ck Iran and Israel 7 24.14%
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But there are other areas where we are not satisfied.



http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middl...blix_2-13.html
I think this says it all.

Why can't you find anything that says in simple terms....

"There are no WMDs in Iraq."

"President Bush is wrong about WMDs. He will find none in Iraq."

Everyone knew it. Why didn't anyone say it?

I can find you quotes from folks who mistakenly predicted the winners of the last 20 superbowls. But no one on the record definitively saying:

"Everyone know that Bush is lying. There are no WMDs."
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I did read it. Did the UN give the United States some sort of power to enforce something here or did I miss that?

You can't win it man, it was a unilateral attack, modeled on Hitler. That is just a fact. The UN would not sanction it, approve it or anything. The reason why is simple: its UN inspectors and its Atomic Energy inspectors were delivering reports saying no proof of what we claimed existed. Iraq was cooperating, and meeting all demands. In spite of that, we decided to murder 600,000 people. An immoral act, the act of fucking Nazis.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Botnst, you say that 2003

"Iraq failed to deliver on it's agreements at the cessation of hostilities in 1991. Subsequent to that, the UN passed a number of resolutions directly targeting Iraq, at least a dozen of which detailed non-compliance. In Dec of 1992 Iraq was given one final opportunity to detail what had become of their NBC research, development, and deployment. By UN resolution, Iraq was found not to have complied. Noncompliance under these resolution directly allowed for the use of force by the designated entity responsible for military operations."

Since they had no WMDs, how did they fail to comply? You should write for Pravada, circa 1960. You do not make any sense.
Why did the UN say they were not complying if "everyone knew" they had no WMDs?

You should have called the back in March of 2003 and let them know, I guess.
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Based upon those criteria:

Israel, Egypt, Turkey, UAR (Dubai), Malaysia, and Morrocco (admittedly for a VERY short stay).

I lived in Spain for 6 months and in England for 6 months. Spent 2 months in Greece.

2 Months in Central America.

Plus dozens of countries visited in Western and Eastern Europe.

Bottom line: More travel and international experinece that the vast majority of condescending elitist liberals who ask questions like,"Have you ever been outside of the United States."

I usually answer in Spanish.

So have you spent a lot of time in a Madrasah with Salafists?
Since you want to play this here is my list:
Muslim Countries
Indonesia (yep Jakarta) 2 times
Saudi Arabia (more than a year)
UAE (6 months)
Bahrain (1 month)
Kuwait (1 month)
Jordan (1 year)
Egypt (3 months)
Chad (6 months)
Nigeria (3 months)
Mali (1 month)
Algeria (two years)
Tunesia (5 months)
Morocco (4 months)
Turkey (1 year on and off)

Non Muslim countries
Sicily ( I go there every year)
Italy (I can't remember)
France (more than I have visited my own parents)
Spain (That's where the babes are)
Germany (too many to count)
Belgium (once and never again)
Holland (yeah baby)
England (too many times, next time I will see DR)
Iceland (babes)
Norway (my ex girlfriend's turf)
Mexico (2 times, but most of the time in the WC)
Canada (People are nicer)
Brazil(lost two of my best friends there)
Malawi (you would not know where that is)
Madagascar (look it up)
Cyprus (1 year)
Malta
Corsica (I love that place)


Those are the ones I remember, do I qualify?
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I did read it. Did the UN give the United States some sort of power to enforce something here or did I miss that?

You can't win it man, it was a unilateral attack, modeled on Hitler. That is just a fact. The UN would not sanction it, approve it or anything. The reason why is simple: its UN inspectors and its Atomic Energy inspectors were delivering reports saying no proof of what we claimed existed. Iraq was cooperating, and meeting all demands. In spite of that, we decided to murder 600,000 people. An immoral act, the act of fucking Nazis.

Still looking to pass that "global test"? So are the millions of dead Rwandans and Darfurians. Waiting for the UN.

Nazis deciding to murder 600,000 people? Like Hilter, no less? Do we all have those little mustaches, too?

Here is body count dot org.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

I guess they are about 550,000 dead bodies to the right of you, huh?
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Since you want to play this here is my list:
Muslim Countries
Indonesia (yep Jakarta) 2 times
Saudi Arabia (more than a year)
UAE (6 months)
Bahrain (1 month)
Kuwait (1 month)
Jordan (1 year)
Egypt (3 months)
Chad (6 months)
Nigeria (3 months)
Mali (1 month)
Algeria (two years)
Tunesia (5 months)
Morocco (4 months)
Turkey (1 year on and off)

Non Muslim countries
Sicily ( I go there every year)
Italy (I can't remember)
France (more than I have visited my own parents)
Spain (That's where the babes are)
Germany (too many to count)
Belgium (once and never again)
Holland (yeah baby)
England (too many times, next time I will see DR)
Iceland (babes)
Norway (my ex girlfriend's turf)
Mexico (2 times, but most of the time in the WC)
Canada (People are nicer)
Brazil(lost two of my best friends there)
Malawi (you would not know where that is)
Madagascar (look it up)
Cyprus (1 year)
Malta
Corsica (I love that place)


Those are the ones I remember, do I qualify?
Well that tears it, you are the expert. It matters not what we think, it matters how many stamps we have on our passports.

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Well that tears it, you are the expert. It matters not what we think, it matters how many stamps we have on our passports.

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What matters is that I mingled with these people unlike many that just watch CNN to get an idea what they are about
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United Nations S/RES/1441 (2002) Security Council Distr.: General 8 November 2002 02-68226 (E) *0268226* Resolution 1441 (2002) Adopted by the Security Council at its 4644th meeting, on 8 November 2002 The Security Council, Recalling all its previous relevant resolutions, in particular its resolutions 661 (1990) of 6 August 1990, 678 (1990) of 29 November 1990, 686 (1991) of 2 March 1991, 687 (1991) of 3 April 1991, 688 (1991) of 5 April 1991, 707 (1991) of 15 August 1991, 715 (1991) of 11 October 1991, 986 (1995) of 14 April 1995, and 1284 (1999) of 17 December 1999, and all the relevant statements of its President,

Recalling also its resolution 1382 (2001) of 29 November 2001 and its intention to implement it fully,

Recognizing the threat Iraq’s non-compliance with Council resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security,

Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area,

Further recalling that its resolution 687 (1991) imposed obligations on Iraq as a necessary step for achievement of its stated objective of restoring international peace and security in the area,

Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 (1991), of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range greater than one hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,

Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to sites designated by the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), failed to cooperate fully and unconditionally with UNSCOM and IAEA weapons

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Those are the ones I remember, do I qualify?
You qualify as ONE HELL OF A FASCINATING dinner partner.

But you asked ME the question, Prof. Don't get snooty on me.

I assume that your point was to query as to whether I had some narrow view of Islam, Muslims, Muslim countries, etc.

I don't.

By the way, I would never seriously suggest that you are stupid or uneducated. Why is that such a habit of lefties? I may disagree with your opinions or conclusions, but I would never be so arrogant to write you off as "a idiot". Saying, "You are an idiot" doesn't count. That is a friendly way of saying, "I disagree."

So what's your fucking point, Prof?

That it is possible to see the world on a teacher's salary?
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What matters is that I mingled with these people unlike many that just watch CNN to get an idea what they are about
... or even worse, the voice of satan, FoxNews.

But I do agree with you that foreign travel is a useful adjunct to study and reflection. Of those three (travel, study and reflection) two are absolutely necessary whether or not the third is undertaken.

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