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Iraq to command own forces by spring: US general

Iraq to command own forces by spring: US general


Iraq's government will have command of its own armed forces by the middle of next year, a US general has said, revealing details of a deal between the US president and the Iraqi prime minister.

US military spokesman Major General William Caldwell said Tuesday Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and President George W. Bush had agreed on an "accelerated timetable" for Iraq to take charge of its own security.

The announcement came on the eve of a much-anticipated report from a panel of US experts which is expected to recommend that US forces in Iraq do exactly that, in order to disengage American troops from Iraq's bloody conflict.
"We would expect to see the entire country having reached Iraqi provincial control by the fall of next year," Caldwell told reporters in Baghdad.
"We should see the complete transfer of command and control of all Iraqi army divisions by late spring early summer," he added.
"This is all part of the accelerated timetable that was discussed by the prime minister and the president of the United States when they were in Jordan," referring to a meeting in Amman last Thursday.
"I think what you'll find from here is that 2007 is going to be the year of transition. We are going to transition security responsibility to the government of Iraq and their security forces," he said.
Currently only two of Iraq's 18 provinces are under direct Iraqi security control and only two of the country's 10 army divisions answer directly to Maliki rather than to US General George Casey's headquarters.
Caldwell said, however, that increasing numbers of America's 150,000-strong force would be assigned to "transition teams" directly inside Iraqi units to speed their training and coordinate operations with US support units.
These moves are among ideas expected to be recommended by former US secretary of state James Baker's Iraq Study Group on Wednesday, but Caldwell said the revised plan had come from the military itself.
"What's happening back in Washington... we'll take whatever guidance we're given but we're already refining and making adjustments here based on General Casey's guidance," he said. "The mission of our forces here is to set the conditions to allow the Iraqi security forces to be successful in providing security for Iraq so that Iraqis can determine the future of Iraq," he added.
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They say this all the time, for the last three years. You talk to soldiers who have been there, and they just laugh.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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This time is different, just wait 6 months, do you ever speculate on anything other than what people say on here?
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Do the math. The Sadr militia alone has 100,000 soldiers. The Badr Militia has at least 75,000. The Baathist insurgents are estimated to have 20,000. Then there are a hundred other Islamist and nationalist groups with militias and agendas. The Iraqi forces themselves are riddled with men who are loyal to these militias, up to 70% by some estimates. They will steal the guns and act as death squads for their masters. We already cannot account for billions in the hardware we have already given them. They go AWOL, sell their uniforms and equipment on the blackmarket to the bad guys, and then return claiming they have lost them, so they can get more and do it again.

My nephew, who has done three tours there, says that the average Iraqi soldier only shows up on payday. Insubordination is not a problem for them. If they are Sunni, they will refuse to serve in units where Shiites are present, and vice versa. They will not go into Shiite areas if they as Sunni, and vice versa. The Kurds have passed a law stating that the Iraqi Army cannot enter Kurdistan. They also have no fire discipline and routinely shoot everyone once someone has fired a shot.

Armies that have divided loyalties always suffer from these consequences. Ask anyone who served in South Vietnam. The day we walk out, they will evaporate into their militia components.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Yes I know FTL, that is why I think if you speculate on the things not said in the article you could make a few bucks, the timing is right.
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How would one make a few bucks? On what? Failure?

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