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The Professor’s Iraq Re-Deployment Plan

The Professor’s Iraq Re-Deployment Plan
Here is what I think we should do to help the situation get better.
We need to redeploy outside and inside Iraq. The latter part being a transitional phase for full pull out once stability is achieved.
  • Move out to neighboring countries:
    • Kuwait will have no problem accommodating the majority
    • We must minimize our footprint in Saudi Arabia to remove the Al Qaeda justification to attack us from the mind of the Muslim world.
    • Work with Jordan and Turkey to allow some installations for rapid deployment teams and specialists.
  • Stay in strategic areas within Iraq
    • Occupy Western Iraq at the border to monitor and control traffic to and from Jordan
    • Make the Western region a neutral zone where Iraqi military can get training from us
    • Occupy Northern Iraq to help balance out any threat to the Kurds
    • Occupy the port of Basra and all channels to the Arabian Sea.
What do you guys think?
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Sounds good to me Professor.

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Thanks Musikmann, I am trying to be fair to the situation and where everyone might have some negotiation room. The above are just guidelines which means they have to be agreed upon and finalized to whatever the parties will settle on.
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Here is my plan for Iraq:

Get the fuck out. Go home.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Here is my plan for Iraq:

Get the fuck out. Go home.
I don't agree. It's time for smart damage control.
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Come on man, we are not going to steal their oil, it ain't gonna work. All these "US bases" are code words for that. If it was about terrorism, we would be in Somalia and have twenty divisions in Afghanistan. We have massive assets already in Kuwait. Kurdistan is just another pile of poo to step in. We need to let these people form their own nations, and get the hell out of the way, and then aid those that emerge who will do us some good.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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This is a tough situation. Either we go to the UN and our former allies who have seen nothing but Bush's asshole in their faces for the last six years, and form an alliance of overwhelming strength and shut the place down, then restart one service after another, one institution after another, and, when all is running smoothly, turn it over to an independent Iraqi government. The international consortium can stay for as long as the local government wants them.

Or get the fuck out as soon as possible. Either you go at it with everything the US, NATO and the UN can muster and impose order, security and functionality of the infrastructure, or you get out. If there is anything we should have learned it is that the job is much harder than any Westerner can imagine - so any "reasonable" attempts are doomed to fail. What I see in your proposal Prof, is another "limited" engagement based on some consideration other than what it would take to start over and do the job that was originally required but went unrecognized for several years. I think all such efforts will be thwarted by the nature of the present situation - too many shitbird "lordlets" have visions of power and grandeur and are exploiting the peculiarities of the local religious belief structure to serve their own personal desires.

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With all due respect to you, and at the risk of sounding arch, your suggestions, while sounding well intentioned, is only re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Or, to put a finer point on it, rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg.

The situation at this point is so far out of control that in Baghdad, the children on the playgrounds are identifying one another as Sunni or Shiite, and fighting each other. Each side has devolved into ethnic cleansing units, trying to rid their own neighborhoods, of the other side, and playing real dirty, Salvadorean type death squads, using women and children as human shields, kidnapping hostages and drilling electric drills into their heads before murdering them. uniting ONLY insofar as they both want to kill our troops, the so called Iraqi "Police" and security forces many of whose personal religious agenda trumps all else, and they can't be trusted to carry out the will of the Iraqi "nation" if there still is one.

Meanwhile the remaining Iraqis are in fear of their very lives and more and more every day are fleeing to Jordan and Syria, thousands daily, they just want out of there no matter what the cost.

I'm wondering if the best we can hope is that this won't become like like the Hamas and Hezbollah forever fighting one another in Palestine. But I think it's even worse than that.

It's like Yugoslavia was at its worst. Maybe a UN brokered peace treaty needs to be considered. I really don't know.
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I absolutely, 100% AGREE. Professor, why is this all up to us? Isn't that how we got into this shit in the first place?

We need to get out. We then need to see if we can get back into the community of nations, which may require impeaching Bush. Then we need to work with NATO and the UN to stablize the Middle East.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Kurdistan is just another pile of poo to step in.
Have you seen how big a Turkey dropping can be?

FTL is right.

Let's have a victory celebration that FTL can mock mercilessly and get out of there. Bush can declare "Mission Recomplished" (FTL can mock yet more) and thank the wonderful democratically (FTL smirks) elected iraqi government for their friendship.

Thanks for coming, buh-bye.

The war was won by the New York Times, FTL, the IED, and Iran. America lost.

I say implement the cut and run plan and let Iran take over. The sooner they can get their people in place to nuke NY, LA, and SF the better.

The sooner they can cut off Europe's oil supply THE BETTER. Flash...the US can do just fine without ME oil, you dolts.

Europe is fucked, though. Enjoy the train. As long as it is electric.

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