Originally Posted by Professor
I tell you what cascade; I have been telling everyone that we should let Israel take over Iraq in many posts. Basically Israel claims to be our best and most loyal ally in that region so why not put it to work. They can deploy their own troops in Iraq to secure that region while we scale back in the surrounding region just in case we need to pounce back if Iran flinches for one split second. Not a single member of this board approached this theory by either critiquing it in a serious manner or simply see merits in it. Now that I see that you are so steamed up about the situation in Iraq and that a controlled scaling back does not meet your acceptance what do you think of what I just told you? Let's see if you will approach this topic without political correctness bullshit. Your moment to shine cascade!
Look, I get interested in the ideas about Iraq, and believe me, yours are intriugiguing, and it mimight seem to you that your ideas about engauging the Israelis in Iraq, would seem fair because they are our best allies over there, the fact is, and it's HARDLY PC to bring this up, they have an active and lively lobby in DC, like the oil companies, and there are I think more Jewish people in the USA than in Israel!, they won't go for an idea of deploying their paltry but well trained army into Iraq because they "owe" us something. Suure if you think they'll accept it, by all means invite them into Iraq, but I hope they have a counjterinsurgency strategy that WORKS, unlike that of the US army, which doesn't, Just a guess, but a Jewish army in Iraq would probably INSTANTLY make the Sunnis and Shiites forget all their animosities, and start killing Jews together hand in hand, with glee. THOSE people won't even admit Israel's existence, and some of them are calling for the extinction of Israel. They'd like nothing better than a chance to personally kill them some Jewish soldiers. Sure, we could try your plan- nothing else works. I just don't think yours doesn't, and I'm just wondering if the argument that what's left of Iraq might be better left off for ALL the surrounding parties to divide it up, as was suggested here.
I think the opportunity the US army and the "coalition provisional authority"
(derided by some over there as (can't produce anything) has passed, that events are now beyond the control of the US forces to effect change there, unless you are willing to have 3,000,000 or so US troops there, ready to "stay the course" for 100, or more years. Instituting complete gun control in Iraq, and enforcing it harshly. I don't think it could work, and I don't think I am alone in
I don't think we can accomplish a meaningful solution anymore by repositioning the troops around, by bringing in more, or withdrawing a few of them, I think the idea that the countries surrounding Iraq need to be brought in, and all of them engaged in a solution to the problem which MIGHT end up with what we knew as Iraq broken into 3 pieces, and the country we knew as Iraq split into spheres of influence, or annexed to Iran, Kurdistan, Jordan and Syria....it's personally distasteful, and it might not work, turn into a govt. less Somalia, but the idea is to try and stop the carnage, even if it means a result like what happened after the UN got into Yugoslavia in the 1990s
Don't get me wrong, the troops we have there are heroic, and there have been lots of schools, roads, hospitals and such reconstructed, but too many are being destroyed by car bombers in their Taliban Toyotas.
The militant Islamists have cowed the moderates, and there is a horrible mutation of that religion afoot, like some kind of horrible 8th century religion that should be extinct but isn't.