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I agree.

The West is weak. Not in strength of arms, but much more importantly, where it matters - ideologically. Political Correctness has rotted our sense of right and wrong from within; moral equivalence is de rigour when faced with outright evil. Free speech is all but dead. The main occupation of the ever growing number of state employees is victim-farming. Excusing criminality and fanaticism, enabling dependancy, makes good money. Witch-finding PC commisars abound. We have lost our way and are ripe for conquest (Europe certainly is). Secular liberal democracy is a means to an end, not the end in itself - and in Europe at least, this 'liberal' welfare socialism is buckling. I predict balkanisation and civil war in Europe within two decades.
Predict it in two decades, mi amigo, newsflash, it's already there in Europe. There are Turkish ghettos in Germany, the gastarbeiters (Guestworkers), lured by the promise of high wages, have been assembling your Mercedes autos for over 25 years, living in their communities closed to the West, not learning the language and not assimilating at ALL. Checked the suburbs of Paris and Marseilles, lately, more of the same. What's the #1 most popular name for children born in Belgium last year? Mohammed. Travelled to Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Spain or England? They are being swamped with refugees from Morocco, Turkey, Kurdistan, Bosnia, Algeria and Baluchistan. High birthrates, and an unwillingness to assimilate to their new country off residence are distinguishing characteristics. Not to mention a few with VERY violent agendas.

I visited a freind in Oslo who was concerned about it. Those people, he complained, even bought Mercedes. "But not new ones, like us, they only could afford used ones, W124.
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Do you think Nazism will make a comeback? It already seems to be happening in Russia.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Fear.
Yeah, but well founded. (but not enough to take away ALL your civil liberties,tap your phone, and to strip search 80 year old Swedish grannies at the airport, and create a homeland security bureaucracy, the very word HOMELAND sounds way too close to "DER VATERLAND" )
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Predict it in two decades, mi amigo, newsflash, it's already there in Europe. There are Turkish ghettos in Germany, the gastarbeiters (Guestworkers), lured by the promise of high wages, have been assembling your Mercedes autos for over 25 years, living in their communities closed to the West, not learning the language and not assimilating at ALL. Checked the suburbs of Paris and Marseilles, lately, more of the same. What's the #1 most popular name for children born in Belgium last year? Mohammed. Travelled to Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Norway, Spain or England? They are being swamped with refugees from Morocco, Turkey, Kurdistan, Bosnia, Algeria and Baluchistan. High birthrates, and an unwillingness to assimilate to their new country off residence are distinguishing characteristics. Not to mention a few with VERY violent agendas.

I visited a freind in Oslo who was concerned about it. Those people, he complained, even bought Mercedes. "But not new ones, like us, they only could afford used ones, W124.
Greed....greed will keep them together
Whenever trouble comes around
The US talking them down....
Some Muslims making sounds
Boy, you better be aware that...

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Greed...greed will keep them together

That and centuries old class system built on systemic alcoholism. Das is nicht sehr gut!
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Do you think Nazism will make a comeback? It already seems to be happening in Russia.
Well, you said earlier today that Socialism + Nationalism = National Socialism, right? What's that spell?

Doesn't seem to be regular Red Russian socialism, any more, comrade, like they used to say that was when "We pretended to work and they pretended to pay us"

More of a Kapitalism Gone Wild, complete with Mafia businessmen driving Brabus G55 SUVs and ex KGB honchos taking care of the official business of running things, and those pesky reporters that put their noses put back in line permanently.

Looks like they need a good case of good old fashioned democracy. But wait, President Bush gave those Iraqis a dose of that to the Iraqis in the purple finger election a few months ago, right? And what did old Putin say to that, when George crowed about it? He smiled at Bush and said, "We saw the democracy you gave to Iraq. We Russians don't need THAT kind of democracy"

Priceless! Bush came out of that one looking lower than a snake's trail in a wagon wheel rut.
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Bush came out of that one looking lower than a snake's trail in a wagon wheel rut.
Dan Rather, is that you?

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Well, you said earlier today that Socialism + Nationalism = National Socialism, right? What's that spell?

Doesn't seem to be regular Red Russian socialism, any more, comrade, like they used to say that was when "We pretended to work and they pretended to pay us"

More of a Kapitalism Gone Wild, complete with Mafia businessmen driving Brabus G55 SUVs and ex KGB honchos taking care of the official business of running things, and those pesky reporters that put their noses put back in line permanently.

Looks like they need a good case of good old fashioned democracy. But wait, President Bush gave those Iraqis a dose of that to the Iraqis in the purple finger election a few months ago, right? And what did old Putin say to that, when George crowed about it? He smiled at Bush and said, "We saw the democracy you gave to Iraq. We Russians don't need THAT kind of democracy"

Priceless! Bush came out of that one looking lower than a snake's trail in a wagon wheel rut.
So, your saying Putin gave Bush a different finger?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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People, we need to look at a solution our president can implement to save face and still being practical. There is going to be bloodshed that is a certainty but we must present the Arabs with a solution that does not imply a partitioning of Iraq. Iraq unity is a big deal in the Arab world because it is composed of mostly Sunnis and someone here correctly pointed out that the Iraqi Sunnis are not going to be too happy that the Kurd or Shiites end up with all the oil.
It's important that we present this to the Arabs as much as we present it to Iraq itself to damper any repercussion of the said bloodshed that will ensue anyway. There is going to be an oscillation of instability but it will eventually come to rest once all processes are working under the framework that I proposed. I don’t see any other way and surely just packing up and leaving is going to plunge that area into mayhem that would surpass our worst nightmares. By doing so, they will bring it to our doorsteps. I am afraid that Bot is absolutely right about an Arab backlash that can come in different forms including a migration of the ones that will be disfranchised from any partitioning and not long after that we will be dealing with the same issues that’s changing Europe.
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Nope I'm not him, so let me put it to you this way

... here's a quick lesson in Western Philosophy.

Three baseball umpires are standing around, talking.

The first one says, "I call 'em like I see 'em"

The second one says, "I call 'em like they are"

The third umpire says, "That ball ain't NOTHING till I call it"
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