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Chavez Wins Election

Just curious, does anyone still think snubbing this guy was a good idea? Even on a relatively simple level Bush's foriegn policy is completely out of touch with America's best interests. Here is another case of just outright denial of the fact that Chavez is the elected leader of a democracy that has solidified that leader's resolve to take Bush on outside his area of influence. And Bush, the arrogant twit, can't help himself, leaving Chavez to spread his anti-American initiative throughout South and Central America.

When is America's agenda going to be served by this administration instead of Bush's agenda?

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And why would you want to play touchy, feely with such a pompous prick as Chavez? He comes into OUR country and ridicules our policies, president and government, all the while he sits on an impoverished nation where over 3/4 of the citizens lack common decent access to the comforts of living that is available to ALL americans. But everything is right with his country and wrong with ours?

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Yes, snubbing him is a good idea. He is an anti-democratic thug.

OTOH, that does not mean that we need to seek his ouster. On the contrary, he was democratically elected to a nation that has refused, for 150 years, to observe it's founders' dreams or even their constitution. The government had been in the hands of a few dozen inbred family factions that traded power and parasitized the nation's wealth through subverting democracy.

The people were so sick of that abuse that they elected a thug to expunge the crooks.

We don't suck his cock, nor do we shoot him. Just leave him alone and treat the nation normally. Hopefully they'll sort it out over time.

More interesting (and far more likely to suck us into direct involvement) will be when the Mexicans decide they have had enough of their similarly corrupted and subverted system. I think Mexico is far more likely to enter a protracted, bloody revolution than Venezuela. With 10 M 1st gen Mexicans illegally living here and no telling how many 1st gen legally here, we will have a huge constituency pushing us for direct involvement.

You just think Chalabi had influence.

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What, ya got the blues about "red" state politics? Even if you don't agree with his rhetorical flourishes, his policy initiatives are clearly attempting to ameliorate the depressing results of decades of neglect and outright abuse of the nation's poor.

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And why would you want to play touchy, feely with such a pompous prick as Chavez? He comes into OUR country and ridicules our policies, president and government, all the while he sits on an impoverished nation where over 3/4 of the citizens lack common decent access to the comforts of living that is available to ALL americans. But everything is right with his country and wrong with ours?
So the poverty of Venzeuala has been caused by Chavez? Wow, no wonder the poor voted for him in droves.

The real fact is th USA has helped right wing juntas rape South America for a hundred years. Chavez is the result of that.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Cavez is the now twice elected leader of Venezuela, and is trying to improve the life of the many poor in that Country. While I do not totally agree with Chavez critique, he has only pointed out how incompetent the present Administration is.
Americans should have realized and voiced their opinions a long time ago, without being called un patriotic. Maybe the people here should question the system in which an incompetent leader can actually become President.
I agree with Bot that next door neighbor Mexico is a time bomb ready to explode.
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I find it funny how the right is outraged over Chavez calling Bush "the devil" when the Bush administration constantly released press releases calling Chavez "a thug". This administration, with it's Gucci clad clothes horse Secretary of State who so far seems incapable of solving a single real problem from Lebanon to Baghdad, is the most diplomatically dense bunch that has ever occupied the White House. Perhaps a little "goes around, comes around" is not surprising.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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If only we could see beyond our noses.

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Or our Versace eyewear. The woman is insufferably inept, as is her boss. Any real administration would have fired her after Lebanon.

I have always felt the best way to help Latin America was to not support the fascists who murder and rob them. Rice has sent the people of VZ a message: we think they were better off when we were raping them. What we should be doing is welcoming Chavez to the table as a democratically elected leader, and suffer him as we would a country cousin with bad table manners. We should insist on international supervison of elections in the country as a condition of good trade relations, and let it go at that. The best way to get rid of Chavez is to do whatever we can to help the formation of VZ middle class.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Mexico is going to be a real factor, we need to watch, quietly manipulate, and be subtle about making sure they end up a friend rather than foe.
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