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I have no idea what set that off. Did I address you in some way as a spokesman for the current admin?
Nope. It's just I cannot recall a time when you have ever considered any activity outside of it's impact on party politics OR from a perspective that reflects one party's particular view OR your particular characterization (usually caricature) of the opposing party.

The result is this: If I take a perspective that you believe reflects well on the current administration then by miraculous transference, I am apologizing for it, or a shill for it, or a dupe of the current administration.

It's tiresome. I thought I'd cut to the chase.

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So the poverty of Venzeuala has been caused by Chavez? Wow, no wonder the poor voted for him in droves.

The real fact is th USA has helped right wing juntas rape South America for a hundred years. Chavez is the result of that.
Where did I say poverty was caused by Chavez? Vintage FTL.

What I am saying is that if the man had made such sweeping changes in his own country that would have brought his people out of poverty, then he would have had more grounds to be critical of our nation. He needs to clean up his own shit, first.

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Like I said, you are obviously mentally ill. I feel sorry for you, and more sorry for the people who have to live with you every day. If that is all you have to contribute on this forum, you are a very sick man. We all have compassion for you and hope you get help.
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Where did I say poverty was caused by Chavez? Vintage FTL.

What I am saying is that if the man had made such sweeping changes in his own country that would have brought his people out of poverty, then he would have had more grounds to be critical of our nation. He needs to clean up his own shit, first.

Well, you seemed to be berating him for it. The reason he won is he is doing something about it. Given our actions in Iraq, we shouldn't expect much different than what we get from guys like this. Hell, he's just a spanish Danny Devito.

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Yes, snubbing him is a good idea. He is an anti-democratic thug.

OTOH, that does not mean that we need to seek his ouster. On the contrary, he was democratically elected to a nation that has refused, for 150 years, to observe it's founders' dreams or even their constitution. The government had been in the hands of a few dozen inbred family factions that traded power and parasitized the nation's wealth through subverting democracy.

The people were so sick of that abuse that they elected a thug to expunge the crooks.

We don't suck his cock, nor do we shoot him. Just leave him alone and treat the nation normally. Hopefully they'll sort it out over time.

More interesting (and far more likely to suck us into direct involvement) will be when the Mexicans decide they have had enough of their similarly corrupted and subverted system. I think Mexico is far more likely to enter a protracted, bloody revolution than Venezuela. With 10 M 1st gen Mexicans illegally living here and no telling how many 1st gen legally here, we will have a huge constituency pushing us for direct involvement.

You just think Chalabi had influence.

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But Bot, how is snubbing the newly elected leader of a nation that is sitting on one of the largest accessible petroleum deposits in the world "normal?" My point is not to try to suck his dick, but to treat him "normally" and stop pointlessly offending him. While he is a socialist, he was not originally opposed to the United States, and neither are the people of Venezuela. They are alarmingly united, however, in their opposition to one American, President Bush, specifically because he has insulted their leader, and, apparently by their culture, the Venezuelan people.

I think we need to grow some diplomats to effectively understand these other cultures, and stop trying to tell them all how to think and act, or, when they disagree with us on some subject, to just moon them instead of making the effort to understand them by continuing a dialogue. Instead we ought to be dealing with them as real nations, with all the rights and respect they are due. Which in my view leaves a lot of options between snubbing them and sucking their cocks. And, when they have an abundant natural resource that is in high demand, we should acknowledge that America's best interests lie in having access to it, when they clearly do, and being on good enough terms with their leaders to avoid having the proceeds spent uniting half the world against us. At this point, if that means Bush has to suck Chavez' cock in public, well, I am all for that because it is in America's best interests. Jim
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Phat chance Jim, there is no way we could form a cadre of level headed diplomats when our own lawmakers have to go through AIPAC School and must pass the “exam”. We will pander to whoever controls our political direction regardless of our TRUE national interests. Diplomats will be trained in the culture of arrogance and total denial of realities. That’s how it has been for a long time and it ain’t about to change because NO ONE has balls from the President down to step up and say enough of this allegiance to a foreign lobby that dictates our foreign policies for its own agendas.
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But Bot, how is snubbing the newly elected leader of a nation that is sitting on one of the largest accessible petroleum deposits in the world "normal?" My point is not to try to suck his dick, but to treat him "normally" and stop pointlessly offending him. While he is a socialist, he was not originally opposed to the United States, and neither are the people of Venezuela....
I don't give a damn about Chavez one way or the other. If some president wants to offend the bastard it's fine with me. Or he can suck his cock. I like my politicians to be really clear on where they stand. I like for everybody in the world to be crystal clear on where our political leaders stand. If we're being led by a bug-eyed fart swallower we should all know it.

I cannot abide all that silly-assed diplomatic kissy-face and then backstab like French president with his mistress, discussing his wife.
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I don't give a damn about Chavez one way or the other. If some president wants to offend the bastard it's fine with me. Or he can suck his cock. I like my politicians to be really clear on where they stand. I like for everybody in the world to be crystal clear on where our political leaders stand. If we're being led by a bug-eyed fart swallower we should all know it.

I cannot abide all that silly-assed diplomatic kissy-face and then backstab like French president with his mistress, discussing his wife.
Bot you could be a great politician because it's amazing how your stance on issues shifts to wash your hands whenever shit hits the fan.
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Bot you could be a great politician because it's amazing how your stance on issues shifts to wash your hands whenever shit hits the fan.
WTF are you going-on about now?

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