Originally Posted by Botnst
Yes, snubbing him is a good idea. He is an anti-democratic thug.
OTOH, that does not mean that we need to seek his ouster. On the contrary, he was democratically elected to a nation that has refused, for 150 years, to observe it's founders' dreams or even their constitution. The government had been in the hands of a few dozen inbred family factions that traded power and parasitized the nation's wealth through subverting democracy.
The people were so sick of that abuse that they elected a thug to expunge the crooks.
We don't suck his cock, nor do we shoot him. Just leave him alone and treat the nation normally. Hopefully they'll sort it out over time.
More interesting (and far more likely to suck us into direct involvement) will be when the Mexicans decide they have had enough of their similarly corrupted and subverted system. I think Mexico is far more likely to enter a protracted, bloody revolution than Venezuela. With 10 M 1st gen Mexicans illegally living here and no telling how many 1st gen legally here, we will have a huge constituency pushing us for direct involvement.
You just think Chalabi had influence.
But Bot, how is snubbing the newly elected leader of a nation that is sitting on one of the largest accessible petroleum deposits in the world "normal?" My point is not to try to suck his dick, but to treat him "normally" and stop pointlessly offending him. While he is a socialist, he was not originally opposed to the United States, and neither are the people of Venezuela. They are alarmingly united, however, in their opposition to one American, President Bush, specifically because he has insulted their leader, and, apparently by their culture, the Venezuelan people.
I think we need to grow some diplomats to effectively understand these other cultures, and stop trying to tell them all how to think and act, or, when they disagree with us on some subject, to just moon them instead of making the effort to understand them by continuing a dialogue. Instead we ought to be dealing with them as real nations, with all the rights and respect they are due. Which in my view leaves a lot of options between snubbing them and sucking their cocks. And, when they have an abundant natural resource that is in high demand, we should acknowledge that America's best interests lie in having access to it, when they clearly do, and being on good enough terms with their leaders to avoid having the proceeds spent uniting half the world against us. At this point, if that means Bush has to suck Chavez' cock in public, well, I am all for that because it is in America's best interests. Jim