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why overturn roe?
Remember when GW tried to appoint his cleaning lady to the SC? That was all about Roe. I vaguely recall a pathetic speech from GW begging the American people for support of his nomination -- 'trust me, she is exactly the right person for the position (wink, wink)'...

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..., and the horde of idiots who give greater weight to words than deeds.
That is a nice phrase. May I borrow it occasionally? I'd like to use it on Botnst if you don't mind.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Remember when GW tried to appoint his cleaning lady to the SC? That was all about Roe. I vaguely recall a pathetic speech from GW begging the American people for support of his nomination -- 'trust me, she is exactly the right person for the position (wink, wink)'...
It was the act of a meglomaniac. Caligula appointing his horse to the Senate. An insult to the American People, and a huge wakeup call for how shallow and small this man was. Do you doubt, if this was left to stand, that when Renquist died, that he would not have nominated her to the Chief Justice? The Dubai Ports deal, Harriet Myers, Katrina, Iraq, and still his yapping dogs formed around him. It truly is turning into a disaster for the conservatives. In the Senate, it may be 51-49, but half the Republicans in there are in states that are going Democratic, and being a yapping dog has gone out of style. It does not bode well for any item of the conservative agenda ever going anywhere for a long time, and a lot of items on the liberal agenda being achieved through rational compromise.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address

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That is a nice phrase. May I borrow it occasionally? I'd like to use it on Botnst if you don't mind.
Sure, if you don't mind being a clonal colonist.

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Conservatives? I'm right here.

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After reading the entire article, it is essentially a re-statement of what I said in the last thread I had at MBS, "Katrina, The Faith Based Hurricane", in which I stated that Bush did not respond to Katrina on purpose, and that Brown was simply a man who was executing Bush's will to do just that. Bush was going to prove his excreable "compassionate conservative" philosophy right by showing that the "forces of compassion" would do the job better than the government. In fact, it is a ridiculously inefficient way of delivering services to people in need.

I must admit I destest writers who start out with the premise that the liberals of the 60's made poverty worse. Although there is certainly plenty of deserved criticizm on these programs, I think the net long term effect has been to create a black middle class. They were the right thing to do in their time, but not the right thing to do forever.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address

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Excellent points here:

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Compassionate conservatism’s proponents tout President Bush’s faith-based initiative as an application of free-market principles to welfare. Government-funded welfare is distributed by sub-contracting and out-sourcing the “politics of love” to private middlemen—namely, churches and faith-based charitable organizations. The Bush administration’s program aims to make “funds more accessible to neighborhood and faith-based organizations that administer a mix of love and discipline,” writes Stephen Goldsmith.23 Such “privatization” of the welfare system does give rise to a certain kind of “competition”: Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, the Unification Church, Rastafarians, Scientologists, and various other California-style churches compete to offer the most love and the best soup—and with your money.

This political competition between churches for taxpayer money is the beau idéal of compassionate conservatism. Churches and charities compete with one another for government funding, and the recipients of this “charity” have the freedom to choose between various government-sponsored and government-regulated denominational soup kitchens. This is what compassionate conservatives mean when they advocate combining “free market” policies with religious programs for the poor. But this is an Orwellian perversion and an utter corruption of free-market principles. There is no such thing as “market competition” between semi-private charities for the favors of government bureaucrats who have the power to arbitrarily give away money that is forcibly taken from other Americans. This is sheer government coercion and forced redistribution of wealth. Worse yet, it is a violation of the separation of church and state.

Compassionate conservatism places government in the business of propagating religion. Under Bush’s faith-based initiative, the federal government has been enlisted to do the “Lord’s work.” Liberal and conservative Christians will, henceforth, grab for and use this billion-dollar giveaway to support and spread their particular faith. When Democrats are in power, federal money will go to churches and organizations run by Marxist-orientated (so-called “liberationist”) Christians in order to promote liberal-socialist values; when Republicans are in power, federal money will go to the likes of Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority to promote conservative-socialist values—and both parties will give money to Muslim “charities” in order to demonstrate their religious tolerance.

Despite the President’s occasional protestations to the contrary, the faith-based initiative is, in the end, about promoting religion. As the President himself said in support of the initiative: “[W]elfare policy will not solve the deepest problems of the spirit. . . . No government policy can put hope in people’s hearts or a sense of purpose in people’s lives. That is done when someone, some good soul puts an arm around a neighbor and says, ‘God loves you, and I love, and you can count on us both.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Hope through the dirty deeds of George W Bush, the American people learn one important lesson. Most importantly, we should never allow our law makers forget they are by the people, and for the people. Regardless of your party affiliation.

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No other president has placed partisanship over the public good more than George Bush. We have had six years of government where the far-right of the Republican Party was treated as if they were the majority. Good riddance to the bastards, the electorate has had enough of it.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Interesting how we can all read the same article and come away from it with so many different lessons.

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