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New technology catches Hitler off guard

New technology catches Hitler off guard
By Neil Midgley
Last Updated: 1:56am GMT 23/11/2006

New computer software that can read lips at almost any angle has helped make sense of one of the Second World War's lingering mysteries —Hitler's home movies.

Hitler in public: his home movies catch at his most relaxed and some of his comments are revealing

The technology allows the dialogue to be dubbed on to the silent films, many of them made by Eva Braun at Hitler's mountain retreat, the Berghof. With the new soundtrack, Hitler can be heard encouraging young children towards a life in the military, criticising even his closest henchmen and flirting with Braun.

The footage forms part of a documentary, Hitler's Private World: Revealed, to be broadcast next Tuesday on Five.

It has languished in archives since the war after being found by the US Office of Strategic Services in the cellars under the Berghof. The film shows very different Hitler from the strident orator who led Germany into war. At ease among his guests, he cracks jokes and talks animatedly about his love for cinema — his tastes included Mickey Mouse.

He is also seen teasing Braun about a screening in his cinema at the Berghof. "I understand you didn't like the movie last night," he says. "I know what you want. You want Gone with the Wind."

advertisementMuch of the footage is taken on a terrace at the Bavarian retreat, with Hitler and his guests relaxing in the sunlight. He finds time to flirt with Braun, saying: "What are you filming an old man for? I should be filming you."

But the war was never far away. "You talk about a dress that does not fit … imagine my problems," he says with exasperation to his lover.

The technology that has allowed the dialogue to be reconstructed is called ALR — automated lip reading — and has been developed by Frank Hubner, a speech recognition expert. The computer recognises shapes that lips make, turns them into sounds and matches these to a dictionary.

When actors voice the script that this generates, the result is home movies all the more chilling for their apparent happy domesticity. Hitler is shown reading to children, and playing with them. "You be a brave boy," he says to a small Aryan child. "You will be a fine soldier one day."

Hitler had bought Braun a cine camera for her birthday in 1936. Given his manipulation of the German people by the use of filmed propaganda, it is hardly surprising that he showed enthusiasm for cameras. "Every German family must have one. Every aspect of the nation's growth would be captured," he says.

Among Hitler's staff shown at the Berghof are Heinrich Himmler, Albert Speer, Joachim Von Ribbentrop, Reinhard Heidrich, Joseph Goebbels and Karl Wolff.

Himmler is seen telling Heidrich and Wolff: "I'm very busy with this project and that project." A disturbing statement from the man in charge of the Final Solution.

Film shot towards the end of the war shows Hitler complaining about tremors in his arm, giving more credence to the theory that he was suffering from Parkinson's Disease.

What also becomes clear is that Hitler did not hold back from criticising his inner circle. He is scathing about Himmler's enthusiasm for archaeological digs to establish the origins of the Aryan race but reserved his bitchiest remark for Goering.

"I looked at him across the dining table and then I knew that what they say was true," he says, "that pigs eat the flesh of their own."
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Humanizing Hitler can be good if used correctly. People need to be able to see that no one is all bad, and how to spot the signs when they are.
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That's pretty interesting. Hitler met Eva Braun through his official photographer, Heinrich Hoffman. Eva had a job working in his phototography shop.

Hitler never drove but he loved Mercedes Benzes. I have seen shots of a few of them up at the Berghof, when he was there. Grand old Grosser Benzes, cabrios.
When the US soldiers got there, they shot up some of the cars with machine guns to see how bulletproof they were, and then pushed a couple of them off a cliff. What a waste. Many years ago, on ebay I saw an owner's manual for a '38 Mercedes that was supposedly liberated from one of the cars up there, by a US soldier. I can't remember what model of Mercedes or whose car exactly it was though
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he had as little taste in car's as friends , I mean the beetle , what a turd of a car !and why drive the Benz when he could have be wizzed around in a 39 Maybach Zepplin .
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Ian Kershaw's two volume biography of Hitler, "Hubris" and "Nemisis"

http://www.amazon.com/Hitler-1889-19...919987-0549552

http://www.amazon.com/Hitler-1936-19...919987-0549552

are the most brilliant books I have ever read on the subject of Hitler. Both cover Hitler's love of the big 30's Mercedes. His top henchman Heydrich had an unfortunate love with Mercede's convertibles that cost him his life when he was assasinated in it while tooling around Prague, sending him to his waiting corner office in Hell.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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That's pretty interesting. Hitler met Eva Braun through his official photographer, Heinrich Hoffman. Eva had a job working in his phototography shop.

Hitler never drove but he loved Mercedes Benzes. I have seen shots of a few of them up at the Berghof, when he was there. Grand old Grosser Benzes, cabrios.
When the US soldiers got there, they shot up some of the cars with machine guns to see how bulletproof they were, and then pushed a couple of them off a cliff. What a waste. Many years ago, on ebay I saw an owner's manual for a '38 Mercedes that was supposedly liberated from one of the cars up there, by a US soldier. I can't remember what model of Mercedes or whose car exactly it was though
One of my favorite quotes about Mercedes was from General Patton. After driving Albert Speer's captured supercharged Mercedes 550, his aide asked him how he liked the car. "That's not a car, that's a God damned chariot." said Patton.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Question Reinhard Heidrich/Heydrich

OMG!

I took a whole 1 semester course in college on the Nazi era of Germany but am drawing a complete blank on this name.

Not really a question for this thread, but I'm going to Google this guy.

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Heydrich was a Nazi's Nazi.Second to Himmler,he started out as the head of the SD, the SS intelligence branch and was the first director of the Gestapo, and did such a good job of totally eliminating political opposition inside of Germany that Hilter put him in charge of special projects, the most notable of which was The Final Solution. But Heydrich became bored with organizing the mass slaughter of Jews and longed for his own little country to run, so Hitler put him in charge of Checkoslovakia. He was assasinated there.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/.../Heydrich.html

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address

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Actually Heydrich was in charge of what they called The Protectorate - the rump states of Bohemia & Moravia; Slovakia remained "independent." Today the former two (with certain lands returned post-WWII) are the Czech Republic and Slovakia is again independent.
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Picky, picky.

His rig had the appropriate "suicide doors":


Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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