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I don't know Prof. Jimmy Carter is a fine, honorable man, no doubt. Despite that, he was probably the worst American president of the 20th century, and he is basically to blame for the rise of the religious right in American politics today.

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I don't know Prof. Jimmy Carter is a fine, honorable man, no doubt. Despite that, he was probably the worst American president of the 20th century, and he is basically to blame for the rise of the religious right in American politics today.
I am with you on that point but he sure is not at Bush's incompetence level.
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I will take a pacifist any day. Ask yourself where are we today because we have a warmonger in the White House?
Pacifists are like children who are bullied on the playground. The bully wants your milk money and you give it to him. Then he wants more and more of your milk money and you continue to give it to him. There will be no end in sight with the insanity of pacifism.

The bully demanded our milk money by bombing the USS Cole and we gave it to him. He got more milk money when he dragged our soldier's bodies through the streets of Somalia while we cut and ran. Then, the ultimate payment came on Sept. 11, 2001. Were we supposed to sit on our asses like Clinton did the last two times we were attacked?

I am, in no way defending the war in Iraq. You and several others already know my feelings about that (we've lost direction on the war on terror). But we are there and we need to finish the job, develop an exit strategy and get the hell OUT!

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Agreed!
Oh yeah!
Let's see Bush do better with this situation. Can he actually accomplish a real peace in that region before he leaves office?

I think Bush is going to be the worse president we ever had. I still respect President Carter but I have no sympathy for our sitting decider and God whisperer
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I am with you on that point but he sure is not at Bush's incompetence level.
The only reason I didn't say second worst is because Bush didn't take office until the 21st century.

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Pacifists are like children who are bullied on the playground. The bully wants your milk money and you give it to him. Then he wants more and more of your milk money and you continue to give it to him. There will be no end in sight with the insanity of pacifism.

The bully demanded our milk money by bombing the USS Cole and we gave it to him. He got more milk money when he dragged our soldier's bodies through the streets of Somalia while we cut and ran. Then, the ultimate payment came on Sept. 11, 2001. Were we supposed to sit on our asses like Clinton did the last two times we were attacked?

I am, in no way defending the war in Iraq. You and several others already know my feelings about that (we've lost direction on the war on terror). But we are there and we need to finish the job, develop an exit strategy and get the hell OUT!
Yes I agree on every point you brought up and I was all for the war in Afghanistan but never Iraq. You hit the nail, the war on terror has been hijacked to serve other purposes.
What's done is done, now we have to find a solution. I had said this many times throughout my posts but not a single member here responded to counter or critic this approach. Here it is again:
Let's leave Iraq and give Israel control of that situation since we actually went to war there for them. Please don't tell me otherwise because all other excuses like WMD, Saddam and oil don't cut it anymore, everyone knows deep down why we went there. I say let the Israelis run Iraq and put their own troops in there. We had paid Israel billions and armed them like no other and we call them our best ally in that region. Well it's time to cash in this token and see if it pans out. Am I being stupid to suggest this?
Afghanistan the same shit, let Pakistan go in there and clean the place. No more pretending who is our friend, if Musharaf says he is then he needs to get his ass in there and get dirty. Am I being stupid to suggest this?
Let's take care of our own borders and deal with our own problems. Am I being stupid to suggest this?
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I like George Bush and I like the Jews (I'm not Jewish either). When I do internships at various places most of the finance jobs are taken by Jews. Very smart people that know how to make money.
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You know what guys? I can say that the sky is blue during the day and most of you would find some way to disagree with me or turn the shit on me somehow calling me a racist.
The sky only APPEARS to be blue. It is NOT actually blue: The blue color of the sky is due to Rayleigh scattering. As light moves through the atmosphere, most of the longer wavelengths pass straight through. Little of the red, orange and yellow light is affected by the air.

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Before this topic turned gay, it was about Muslims and Jews. One drastically overlooked fact is the treatment of Jews through the times. History proves (even for you faithless nonbelievers) that Jews have been victims of hate for centuries. Kamil’s real life story (and many others throughout the world) is an example that hate towards Jews continues, perhaps more so than ever. Sadly, the anti-Jewish comments are sure to follow.
Takes two to tango. Ever thought that religious extremists come in all denominations?
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