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Bolton: Future of Mideast 'may well be decided' in days

Bolton: Future of Mideast 'may well be decided' in days

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration is facing a foreign policy crisis in Lebanon where the Iran-backed Hizbullah and Syria threaten to topple the weakened democratic government in Beirut.

"The future of the Middle East, certainly the future of Lebanon may well be decided in the next several days," U.S. envoy to the United Nations John Bolton told BBC radio. "A successful re-emergence of democracy there is being directly challenged by the terrorist Hizbullah and those who support them, Syria, Iran and others."
The U.S. dilemma is whether or not to provide up to $200 million in military aid to Lebanon over the next year.
Officials said the State Department intends to determine the stability of the government of Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora before the aid is sent to Beirut, Middle East Newsline reported. They said the assassination of Trade Minister Pierre Gemayel and the resulting unrest could lead to a delay in U.S. weapons to Lebanon.
"The nightmare is that we help build a military that is taken over by Hizbullah or Syria," an official said.
On Saturday, the Siniora government approved a proposed international tribunal to prosecute suspects in the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in 2005. The decision came amid warnings by Hizbullah of massive protests.
Under the administration plan, the United States would provide at least 300 Humvee combat vehicles to the Lebanese Army over the next few months. Officials said this could be followed by additional U.S. military surplus to Lebanon, including air defense systems and air platforms.
So far, the administration has focused on training Lebanese military officers and demining southern Lebanon in the wake of the Israel-Hizbullah war. Officials said Washington has helped remove about 50,000 pieces of unexploded ordnance in Lebanon, or about half of the estimated total.
"There's a major problem with unexploded ordnance on the ground and our efforts to help remove that are also proceeding very rapidly," U.S. Agency for International Development administrator Randall Tobias said on Nov. 15. "At the time I was there, the estimate was that we had removed or assisted in the removal of about 50,000 pieces of unexploded ordnance."
Officials said the administration has allocated $250 million for humanitarian and reconstruction in wake of the war, which ended on Aug. 14. They said about $100 million has been sent to Lebanon as a first step until a donor conference in Paris in January 2007.
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Bush will throw Lebanon under the bus in return for Syrian help in Iraq.

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Bush will throw Lebanon under the bus in return for Syrian help in Iraq.
Are you on the pipe again? Jesus, even Bush is not so stupid as too believe Syria is going to help in anything. Syria and Iran are in it together to destabilize Iraq and let the Americans go home with egg on thier faces
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So let me get it straight.

Scenario 1:

We give them $200 millions, they revitalize their army and then ally with Syria against us.

Scenario 2:

We don't give them $200 millions, they ally with Syria against us.

I'd say save $200 millions.
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More like we give them $200 million, and the Hezbollah collaborators in the Lebanese Army steal it, just like they do in Iraq.

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Bush will throw Lebanon under the bus in return for Syrian help in Iraq.
Jesus H. Christ, what a f**kin' cynic! But guess what, he's right! Does anyone have close to hand that picture of Rumsfield shaking Saddam's hand in about 1983 when he was our good buddy in the long bloody inconclusive 1980-1988 war that Iran and Iraq fought against each other?
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Jesus H. Christ, what a f**kin' cynic! But guess what, he's right! Does anyone have close to hand that picture of Rumsfield shaking Saddam's hand in about 1983 when he was our good buddy in the long bloody inconclusive 1980-1988 war that Iran and Iraq fought against each other?
Ever known of 2 enemies to join forces to defeat a stronger 3rd enemy? These Muslims will join forces together to defeat the Great Satin and kick our ass with thier control of the oil, personally I believe Cheney a few others are covering thier bets with this scenario, hence Cheney in Saudi.
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More like we give them $200 million, and the Hezbollah collaborators in the Lebanese Army steal it, just like they do in Iraq.
Shit, yeah. And not only that, guess what will happen as soon as the US troops leave.

Same thing that happened after "Mission Accomplished" and Baghdad liberated; literally the same thing that happened when the Brits pulled out of Basra two months ago. Iraqi "police", troops, civilians, and insurgents, women and children will loot *everything* in sight, nailed down or not.

Count on it.

Harsh Saudi style justice would keep them in line. A strong attachment to the whip. Little thing taken, a hand chop job. Big one, a head chop. Chop chop square like in Riyadh on Friday. They gleefully round up the foreigners and make them watch too. Last statistic I remember, they only had to chop off about 6 hands a year in Saudi.

It WORKS. You drop your wallet on the floor in the Airport in Jeddah, you'll get it back with ALL contents intact, in 3 or 4 days. No one would dare pick it up.

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