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You got it, My reaction exactly, you just said it first, while I was looking at the W123 diesel thread.
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post #12 of 36 (permalink) Old 11-27-2006, 10:38 PM
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Shome Mishtake Shurely???

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it gets worse here every day!

Insurgents target oil sources, cause massive infernos
POSTED: 6:13 p.m. EST, November 27, 2006

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Insurgents Monday targeted key oil sites in Iraq, firing mortar rounds into an oil distribution center in northern Iraq and bombing a pipeline in a southern suburb of Baghdad, Iraqi officials said.

The attack on the oil distribution center triggered a massive fire that halted the flow of crude oil to Iraq's largest refinery, a Kirkuk police official said.

The attack happened around 6:30 p.m. (10:30 a.m. ET) in Baiji, which is about 15 miles (25 km) northwest of Kirkuk, the police official said.



Smoke from the blaze could been seen from miles away.

The refinery in Baiji has a daily production level of about 8.5 million liters of gasoline, 7.5 million liters of diesel and 6.5 million liters of white oil.

The second attack -- a bomb planted beneath an oil pipeline in the al-Rashid district -- also started a fire at around 11 a.m., an official with Iraqi civil defense said, adding that the civil defense put out the fire in about 2 hours.

The pipeline carries crude oil from storage tanks near Latifiya, south of Baghdad, to the Dora refinery in the capital.
Wait a minute, now wait a minute, this was supposed to be Operation Iraqi Liberation, all that oil was supposed to get sold to pay for the "reconstruction" of Iraq, geddit, right?

Someone has to straighten out their Minister of Terrorism, Mohammed Al-Shopliftah, or whoever he is.
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I really think Iraq oil profits should first reimburse USA for getting into their mess.


Once we are reimbursed, we'll start to rebuild Iraq.


No?
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yes, we should brutally attack Denmark next, so they can pay us in cheese.

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I really think Iraq oil profits should first reimburse USA for getting into their mess.


Once we are reimbursed, we'll start to rebuild Iraq.


No?
No.

That would prove to the world that we wish to colonize and exploit the wealth of Muslim countries. The resulting wars would be far more expensive in blood and treasure than this one.

President Wilson set a precedent for the USA following WWI in which we sought no reparations from Germany. In the long term, it turns defeated enemies into allies far more quickly not to rob them after you beat them.

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That would prove to the world that we wish to colonize and exploit the wealth of Muslim countries. The resulting wars would be far more expensive in blood and treasure than this one.

President Wilson set a precedent for the USA following WWI in which we sought no reparations from Germany. In the long term, it turns defeated enemies into allies far more quickly not to rob them after you beat them.

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But isn't what we are doing? If not then for God sake I want someone to answer me why in the hell are we in Iraq? Bruce refused to play along, so who wants to venture on this one?
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But isn't what we are doing? If not then for God sake I want someone to answer me why in the hell are we in Iraq? Bruce refused to play along, so who wants to venture on this one?
Uh, no.

The president, in his State of the Union Speach prior to hostilities and again right before hostilities laid out a number of reasons for war. Selective hearing focuses people on the WMD debacle. But if one were to actually review those speeches one would note that the emphasis was on Iraq's failure to live-up to the terms of the 1991 ceasefire and something like 12 subsequent UN resolutions.

As I have said MANY times in the past, those reasons (WMD, UN resolutions, etc) were insufficient for me. My sole reason for war was preventing Saddam from getting his hearts desire: Control of mideast oil and thus, control of the world's economy.

So the Prez had his reasons and I had (have) mine. A confluence of reasons in which I supported him in the invasion. I still support the invasion and I also support the effort to help establish a stable government. But I sure wouldn't claim democratization as my goal for deposing Saddam. Rather, I think it would be the best possible outcome from a very unpleasant set of circumstances.

But still preferable to having Saddam in power.

Nor do I think stopping Saddam and his bloody freaking sons was a reason for invasion. Them being dead is a happy circumstance of deposing Saddam, but not a reason for it.

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but it's cool for ahmejadeen? to control all that oil? where is the iraqi government as i type this? hmmm



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It's all going swimmingly, just as god told GW it would. Don't believe all this crap from the left-wing media, the shining pro-U.S. democracy is looming large! I have vehemently opposed this invasion since before it began, and now concede my short-sightedness and lack of faith in our leadership. Hail Bush! May our shining democracy and christian values leap forth from Iraq and consume first the Middle East, then the world!

FTL, you are next. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

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It's all going swimmingly, just as god told GW it would. Don't believe all this crap from the left-wing media, the shining pro-U.S. democracy is looming large! I have vehemently opposed this invasion since before it began, and now concede my short-sightedness and lack of faith in our leadership. Hail Bush! May our shining democracy and christian values leap forth from Iraq and consume first the Middle East, then the world!

FTL, you are next. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

Hallelujah Brother GS, Hallelujah, Now go forth and multiply and spread the good Christian word.

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