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Bring Sadam back?

Here's what happened today in Iraq; yes you guessed it, more liberation. But read some of the discussion after the article. Seems a lot of Americans think Sadam needs to be put back in charge.

Iraqi militias take fiery revenge for slaughter
Police said to stand by as Shiite attackers hit mosques, burn Sunnis alive

"BAGHDAD, Iraq - Revenge-seeking militiamen seized six Sunnis as they left Friday prayers and burned them alive with kerosene in a savage new twist to the brutality shaking the Iraqi capital a day after suspected Sunni insurgents killed 215 people in Baghdad's main Shiite district.

Iraqi soldiers at a nearby army post failed to intervene in Friday's assault by suspected members of the Shiite Mahdi Army militia or subsequent attacks that killed at least 19 other Sunnis, including women and children, in the same neighborhood, the volatile Hurriyah district in northwest Baghdad, said police Capt. Jamil Hussein.

Most of the thousands of dead bodies that have been found dumped across Baghdad and other cities in central Iraq in recent months have been of victims who were tortured and then shot to death, according to police. The suspected militia killers often have used electric drills on their captives' bodies before killing them. The bodies are frequently decapitated.

But burning victims alive introduced a new method of brutality that was likely to be reciprocated by the other sect as the Shiites and Sunnis continue killing one another in unprecedented numbers. The gruesome attack, which came despite a curfew in Baghdad, capped a day in which at least 87 people were killed or found dead in sectarian violence across Iraq.

In Hurriyah, the rampaging militiamen also burned and blew up four mosques and torched several homes in the district, Hussein said.

Residents of the troubled district claim the Mahdi Army has begun kidnapping and holding Sunni hostages to use in ritual slaughter at the funerals of Shiite victims of Baghdad's raging sectarian war.

Such claims cannot be verified but speak to the deep fear that grips Baghdad, where retaliation has become a part of daily life.

President Jalal Talabani emerged from lengthy meetings with other Iraqi leaders late Friday and said the defense minister, Abdul-Qader al-Obaidi, indicated that the Hurriyah neighborhood had been quiet throughout the day.

But Imad al-Hasimi, a Sunni elder in Hurriyah, confirmed Hussein's account of the immolations. He told Al-Arabiya television he saw people who were drenched in kerosene and then set afire, burning to death before his eyes.

Two workers at Kazamiyah Hospital also confirmed that bodies from the clashes and immolation had been taken to the morgue at their facility. They refused to be identified by name, saying they feared retribution.

And the Association of Muslim Scholars, the most influential Sunni organization in Iraq, said even more victims were burned to death in attacks on the four mosques. It claimed a total of 18 people had died in an inferno at the al-Muhaimin mosque"


"Well, Saddam knew how to keep a reign on all these crazys. I guess you need a hard nose dictator to quell the sectarian violence. I say put him back in power and back him like we did in the 80's."

"What a mess ! Death day in and day out. We never read any positive news from Iraq. Seems like there is no direction whatsoever over there."

"What a mess!. I say let Saddam out and give the country back to him. Apparently he knew how to control it. He may have killed a lot of people but it sure seems there is no hope for us controling it. It is obvious he knew which group were the problems."

"Bush and the neocons wanted this. For a year before Tush invaded Iraq, the Fox propaganda network beat the drum night and day for war. I can guarantee you there is nothing good in any of this for the USA. Impeach Bush and bring the troops home. We lost again, like we did in Vietnam--another stupid, pointless war that made the profiteers rich, and for all the trillions of tax payer dollars wasted, the overwhelming majority of US citizens still either don't have health care, or not a reasonable amount of health coverage. If you listen to the losers at Fox, they don't seem quite so noisy any more. Neither does that big fat drug addict Limburg. It looks like the devil is about to collect his due from Neocon City."

"Sadam is the only one that can keep the country from imploding. He may be meanest and craziest leader, but it takes a leader like that to keep everybody in place. BRING HIM BACK!!!!"

"Send the cowards Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld wrapped in American flags with empty guns. The we pull out."
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Fvcking brilliant idea, and Saddam is not dead yet.

Put Saddam back in power. Have him put Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice on trial.

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They have been librated...may be freedom be upon them!!

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Its what I've been saying for years. Things are done differently in a country like Iraq. We should have just left it the fuck alone. We knew he had no WMD's. I wish the Democrats had the balls to impeach Bush and try the rest of the administration for the crimes against humanity that they committed.
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I think if solid proof that Bush manipulated the intelligence to justify this war emerges, that is exactly what is going to happen. I also think that unlike during the Clinton years, the majority of the people in this country will agree with the idea once the proof is presented.

There are several key documents the Senate already has, the public release of them were blocked by the fascists when they controlled the Senate. The one I am the most interested in is the famous "28 pages" that dealt with Saudi Arabian Intelligence's involvement in 9-11.

Secrets and Lies
by the Editors
Post date 07.15.04 | Issue date 07.26.04 Printer friendly
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he Senate Intelligence Committee's report on prewar U.S. intelligence about Iraq makes for enthralling reading. But almost as interesting are the vast sections we can't read. About 15 percent of the report is bathed in black ink, redacted because the CIA deemed the information classified. But those redactions are highly suspect. First, the CIA tried to black out about half of the report. Then, after protests from Congress, the Agency yielded, to no demonstrable harm. Second, many of the heavily redacted sections deal with the most politically sensitive topics, such as whether intelligence analysts were pressured by administration officials, and the story behind President Bush's claim that Saddam Hussein sought uranium from Africa.

We don't often agree with Trent Lott, but the defrocked Senate majority leader was correct last week when he declared these redactions "totally ridiculous, uncalled for, and counterproductive." Now Lott, along with Democratic Senator Ron Wyden, is working to create a new federal commission to govern classified material. We second the notion. As the late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan often argued, our government's system of handing classified material is ad hoc, loosely scrutinized, and prone to abuse. And, since September 11, the problem has gotten far worse. As America hunts for terrorists and weapons of mass destruction, intelligence secrets have become vastly more important to our national political and policy debates. But, at the same time, the Bush administration has shamelessly manipulated classified information for political ends.

Consider the litany of politicized Bush administration classifications. In October 2002, the CIA released a National Intelligence Estimate starkly warning of Saddam's ongoing nuclear programs; later, it emerged that the CIA had redacted a slew of key caveats, including one State Department analyst's doubt of any "compelling case that Iraq is currently pursuing ... an integrated and comprehensive approach to acquire nuclear weapons." The investigation into the September 11 attacks has been similarly stunted. Before the House and Senate Intelligence Committees released their joint report last summer, they haggled for six months with the Bush administration over what portions could be made public. The White House ultimately insisted on blacking out a 28-page section dealing with the critical question of Saudi Arabia's role. At the time, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Shelby estimated that "ninety to ninety-five percent" of what the administration shielded from view posed no threat to national security or intelligence sources, the only legitimate grounds for redaction.

The independent 9/11 Commission has had similarly exasperating struggles, including the long tug-of-war over whether to declassify the famous Presidential Daily Brief that, on August 6, 2001, warned of Al Qaeda's intentions to attack on U.S. soil. With the Commission's report due later this summer, those fights are far from over: Commissioner Tim Roemer recently told The New Republic that the question of how much of his panel's report will ultimately see daylight is shaping up to be "one of the battles of Armageddon."

Almost as galling as this politically motivated secrecy is the way the administration has released classified material to score political points. During this spring's Commission hearings, Attorney General John Ashcroft tried to undermine Democratic Commissioner Jamie Gorelick by releasing secret memos she wrote as a Justice Department official in the 1990s. Around the same time, Condoleezza Rice quoted from a classified national security memo in an effort to discredit former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke. And, each time Bob Woodward has come calling for his insider accounts, he's walked away with armloads of secret documents that cast the president in a heroic light.

For such political whims to infect the classification process is a travesty. We urgently need a new way of handling classified material, one that shifts the burden for classification away from transparency-seekers and onto secret-hoarders. A good start is the Lott-Wyden proposal to create an independent panel of intelligence experts to review declassification requests. This panel would send its recommendations to the White House. The White House would maintain final authority over declassification decisions, but an impartial arbiter would put more pressure on the president to justify secrecy. In the debates over Iraq and September 11, it is now clear that the classification system has been abused--and, partly as a result, the public has been denied the ability to make informed judgments about war and peace. We can't let that happen again.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Why did Bush go through all this to go to war?
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Originally Posted by elau
Fvcking brilliant idea, and Saddam is not dead yet.

Put Saddam back in power. Have him put Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice on trial.
Damn straight. Sadam's guilty verdict was supposed ensure winning the midterm elections for the Republicans and that totally backfired on their asses. The irony here is that Sadam (even dead) may come out smelling like roses after this hole ordeal. Its going to be interesting to see how history judges him.
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Why did Bush go through all this to go to war?

To provide a tangible, conventional response to 9/11 and ensure his reelection in 2004.

It is indeed too late to bring back Saddam. We are stuck with this disaster. As noted by several Middle East observers and experts we’ve “unwittingly disrupted a delicate balance of power in the region.” And I fear we’ll be stuck in Iraq for many years to come because of it.
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Let's put sadam back in power and put GW in jail with blowing up the trade centers.
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