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Well isn't that special?

Which part is not a statement of fact?
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Which part is not a statement of fact?
Oh, let me see: "lying, deluded, cantankerous, senile old cunt." But who's keeping track?
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I stand by my assertion. For the better part of my young life, we were a family of three with a single parent, making what would be the equivalent of two adults working for minimum wage (back when it was around $4.25/hr). It wasn't great by any means, but it was escapable, because my mother's modest skills were at least enough to obtain work in a semi-professional capacity (secretarial). She could type and answer a phone. We somehow managed to move between California and the midwest a total of three times in 6 years. Where there is a will, there is a way.

The difference between you and I is that we'll look at the same thing and see it completely differently. Where you see people who "deserve a living wage" for giving it the ol' college try in "small towns" with only Wal-Mart as an employer (an economic impossibility), I see people who are almost uniquely incapable of realizing the futility of their current path, or uniquely ambivalent to their own poverty.

I understand the position you come from however I still say that you are not looking at a broad spectrum analysis in which to draw your conclusions.

I have studied Economics from University level in the mid 70's through most of my work live in one form or the other. In the Military, International Economic realities guided every project I planned and managed. Most of my Corporate Systems Analysis work has had fundamental economics as a background due to the nature of the beast with the Systems IT Architecture having almost none. NOW, I bring that up only to say that I have Economics in damned near every thought in my head. My passion is helping folks in Eastern Kentucky get out of the cycle of poverty that they have been in for over 75 years. Those two elements of my life intersect when we talk about things like the Living Wage and Minimum Wage [which by the way has nothing to do with Socialism]. I understand that what I see in Eastern Kentucky is different that urban settings and in some agricultural settings but I have done enough research to know that people need what has become known as the Living Wage. It is a metered amount of money required to meet BASIC needs. It is not Socialism, it is not a government handout, it is not a “gift”. It is what we, as those in society who have achieved a level of success provide to those who are just stepping up on the ladder.

Just as some people only make middle manager and can go no further, creating a burden on upper management, some people can only make minimum wage. If those people work their 40 hour weeks, provide value to their employer, they deserve a wage that allows them to put a roof over their head, food on their table and cloths on their back. That is not a freebie. That is work for wages. You say that I think that everyone “deserves a living wage for giving the ol college try” like that is a bad thing. Everyone deserves to work and everyone deserves to be paid fairly to work. If you were on the bottom of the scale you would not want anything less.

And what is this Wil Smith movie?

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You always manage to find or make up(?) an expert to "support" your whacked-out points of view. As I have said before, I give up! You either quote from someones talking points or just make it up. I've found thousands of links attributing that saying to Churchill and you find one whack-job like yourself, and declare the rest of the world "wrong!" Get over it! You have no "proof." Just more BS!!
Right J, you are smarter than the single leading expert on Churchill. How could we be so stupid to think otherwise. I would have thought the author of the Oxford Biography on Churchill or the Fellow at the Univ. of Edinburgh would have been enough but no, you still like to believe the much propagated misquote. Great.

I have another one. The Earth is only 6500 years old. There "appears" to be 120,000,000 references published that "prove" that. There is also this debunking thingie called Science that is counter to the many "proofs" on the internet and published in print. You need to research that. Take a sabbatical and get back with us. And should you find your mind while out searching, grab it and try and put it somewhere safe. It has been lonely without you.

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And what is this Wil Smith movie?
"The Pursuit of Happyness". Based in the true story of a man who falls on hard times, living in men's restrooms with his son as he struggles to regain life, job and self.

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I have another one. The Earth is only 6500 years old. There "appears" to be 120,000,000 references published that "prove" that. There is also this debunking thingie called Science that is counter to the many "proofs" on the internet and published in print. You need to research that. Take a sabbatical and get back with us. And should you find your mind while out searching, grab it and try and put it somewhere safe. It has been lonely without you.
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