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"A"? Where have you been?

I'm glad you've learned a new word that rather well disguises one's inability to read detailed analyses. Perhaps a Cliff Notes version of world affairs would be a tad more effective.

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And here are some new words for you to ponder: yes, no, black, white, true, false. KISS, or doom yourself to live in an illusory world of half-truths, innuendo and deceit. BTW, 2 + 2 = 4, no further explanation is required. There is no room for politics in science, and there is no maybe in yes or no.

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And here are some new words for you to ponder: yes, no, black, white, true, false. KISS, or doom yourself to live in an illusory world of half-truths, innuendo and deceit. BTW, 2 + 2 = 4, no further explanation is required. There is no room for politics in science, and there is no maybe in yes or no.
I wish you understood what you wrote it is in direct and precise opposition to your assertion of Revealed Thruth.

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That is neither my phrase nor the concept I forwarded -- it is your's to bestow upon whom you wish and do with as you will, as you already have.

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That is neither my phrase nor the concept I forwarded -- it is your's to bestow upon whom you wish and do with as you will, as you already have.

""Quite the opposite, one can generally recognize truth by its beauty and simplicity.""

Explain to me the scientific method and how the above quote demonstrates it and I'll concede your argument.

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If you consider the quote in its proper context, its meaning, which you apparently find so elusive, is that there are almost always simple explanations. To extrapolate further, it's actually unimportant that you understand the difference between "believe", "prove" and "generally recognize", but I suppose it helps. In summary, you said "...as with most things in life, there is no simple explanation", I disagree, and that is the argument, the only argument. I'll take your tedious meanderings along this synaptic interlude as a concession of that simple point.

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If you consider the quote in its proper context, its meaning, which you apparently find so elusive, is that there are almost always simple explanations. To extrapolate further, it's actually unimportant that you understand the difference between "believe", "prove" and "generally recognize", but I suppose it helps. In summary, you said "...as with most things in life, there is no simple explanation", I disagree, and that is the argument, the only argument. I'll take your tedious meanderings along this synaptic interlude as a concession of that simple point.

Let's stick to the subject instead of wasting time impugning each other, shall we?

To develop a complete and consistent description of any phenomena is provably impossible. The most we can hope for is increasingly fine approximations until the difference between an approximation and that which is sought are sufficiently close to address the problem at hand. Is that process simple? Are the underlying laws simple? I don't believe so. Whenever I look at fundamental laws of physical existence I get anxious and my palms sweat, my knees shake, my eyes roll back in my head and waves of nausea sweep over me as I try to remember enough calculus to follow the descriptions. So instead of a detailed, accurate description I back-away in terror and accept an approximation, looking over my shoulder and muttering something about needless complexity.

In an analogous way, I look at the sweep of history. At a very superficial view I believe there are patterns that repeat and I cannot believe that humanity is so thick-headed that we don't learn from our cyclical stupidity. So I begin to study in more depth and realize that what appears to be a cyclical function is actually very complex and the pattern very often have different parameters and drivers.

Humanity is gifted and cursed with pattern recognition. We can look at a photo and immdeidately distinguish any number of forms. We can look at a face and recognize it again from unfamiliar angles and shades and even disguises.

But pattern recognition is also a stumbling block. We are so intent on finding patterns that often we impose patterns where there are none. there are lots of psychological experiments that demonstrate normal people imposing patterns where there are none. The patterns maybe visual or they maybe cognitive.

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No, I recognize that beauty and simplicity are characteristics of truth. The rest is you heaping layers of gobblegook in an attempt at obfuscation, in order to defend your practice of heaping layers of gobblegook in attempts at obfuscation.
Botnst? I protest. We would never see such behavior from him.


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"But pattern recognition is also a stumbling block. We are so intent on finding patterns that often we impose patterns where there are none. there are lots of psychological experiments that demonstrate normal people imposing patterns where there are none. The patterns maybe visual or they maybe cognitive."

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Let's stick to the subject instead of wasting time impugning each other, shall we?

To develop a complete and consistent description of any phenomena is provably impossible. The most we can hope for is increasingly fine approximations until the difference between an approximation and that which is sought are sufficiently close to address the problem at hand. Is that process simple? Are the underlying laws simple? I don't believe so. Whenever I look at fundamental laws of physical existence I get anxious and my palms sweat, my knees shake, my eyes roll back in my head and waves of nausea sweep over me as I try to remember enough calculus to follow the descriptions. So instead of a detailed, accurate description I back-away in terror and accept an approximation, looking over my shoulder and muttering something about needless complexity.

In an analogous way, I look at the sweep of history. At a very superficial view I believe there are patterns that repeat and I cannot believe that humanity is so thick-headed that we don't learn from our cyclical stupidity. So I begin to study in more depth and realize that what appears to be a cyclical function is actually very complex and the pattern very often have different parameters and drivers.

Humanity is gifted and cursed with pattern recognition. We can look at a photo and immdeidately distinguish any number of forms. We can look at a face and recognize it again from unfamiliar angles and shades and even disguises.

But pattern recognition is also a stumbling block. We are so intent on finding patterns that often we impose patterns where there are none. there are lots of psychological experiments that demonstrate normal people imposing patterns where there are none. The patterns maybe visual or they maybe cognitive.

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Could you please post a Cliff notes version of this? BTW, humans are actually extremely poor at perceiving certain types of patterns, since our neocortex serves to filter out such perceptual redundancies.

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