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I think a lot of our own americans created future problems for our tourists abroad, at least in Europe. At some point in the past, we flaunted our supposed "superiority" and they still remember that.

I was in England, Germany, and Italy in 1977 and the only place I felt welcomed was in Deutschland.

To be fair to the Brits on here, I was only in London. But I felt I was treated the same way as I would probably have been treated in New York City. The only nice folks I met there, were in a pub, and they were a couple of women from Ireland.

In Italy, there was a lot of resentment about the americans who owned property there. Plus, even though most understood english (I know this because I travelled around with an Italian-born woman) they would not use it for me.

Germany, on the other hand, was a pleasurable experience. Believe it or not, the only nastiness I saw there was from the few american servicemen I approached such as "Hey man, I'm an american too". All of the ones I encountered hated being there, and their attitude reflected that.

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I've been living in Europe for the last 5 years. You dont have to meet any Americans over here, you can HEAR them before you see them.


For the record, I am American, but I can see how this ranking could be accurate, every time I go back to the US I'm shocked at how different it is there vice here in Europe.
That was my impression the several times when I've lived and worked abroad. The longer you stay, the more obvious the diff between Americans and others. I recall being able to guess regions of origin and be right more than half the time.

When I lived overseas I tried hard to fit-in so that locals would have to actually hear me speak to tell I was an American. It was kind of fun to have Americans struggle with Spanish asking me directions when I lived in Argentina.

As I grow older I have come to realize that I am first and last an American, for all of the bad and good. Just like wearing my wrinkles and gray hair, I wear my nationality. I earned it.

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That was my impression the several times when I've lived and worked abroad. The longer you stay, the more obvious the diff between Americans and others. I recall being able to guess regions of origin and be right more than half the time.

When I lived overseas I tried hard to fit-in so that locals would have to actually hear me speak to tell I was an American. It was kind of fun to have Americans struggle with Spanish asking me directions when I lived in Argentina.

As I grow older I have come to realize that I am first and last an American, for all of the bad and good. Just like wearing my wrinkles and gray hair, I wear my nationality. I earned it.

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I can see your point Bot but we can do something about this stigma. Nothing says that Americans have to be nasty and disrespectful, we have ample opportunities to rectify this and rebuild a REAL image of who we are. Th reason I am saying this is that many Americans when abroad act differently from what they will usually do when at home. It's an attitude based on ignorance and ignorance can be delt with.
It's all in our educational system. We need a system that is tightly coupled with our Asian, European, African and other counterparts in terms of common themes such as math and hard sciences. This way we all can share practical knowledge and compete against each other in a healthy way which eventually will make us respect each other.
Bot you speak of free markets yet we need to solidify the foundation for such before we get shunted out because of our rotten attitudes. What do you think?
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I think a lot of our own americans created future problems for our tourists abroad, at least in Europe. At some point in the past, we flaunted our supposed "superiority" and they still remember that.
I think this statement is pretty accurate, with one small modification, I dont think it's the "superiority" factor as much as it is that in general, ignorance. America is a superpower on the worlds stage, and what happens there effects the rest of the world (and we know it, thus the "superiority" thing I suppose) however, we (Americans) dont always make the effort to understand the country were in at the time (customs, do's/dont's etc). America has two oceans on either side of our country, for the last 200 years that's isolated us to a point, where as a large percentage of the world HAS to interact face to face with their neighbors. Take Norway for example, on one of my trips up there (short trip) I learned that most people under the age of 30 speak three languages. The native tounge, English, and French and or German. The US is fighting over teaching Spanish in schools - and over 30% of the US population are Spanish speakers.......
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Funny. Two thousand Mexicans showed up here in Houston last week and Burger King was so glad to see them they gave them all a job.

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I can see your point Bot but we can do something about this stigma. Nothing says that Americans have to be nasty and disrespectful, we have ample opportunities to rectify this and rebuild a REAL image of who we are. Th reason I am saying this is that many Americans when abroad act differently from what they will usually do when at home. It's an attitude based on ignorance and ignorance can be delt with.
It's all in our educational system. We need a system that is tightly coupled with our Asian, European, African and other counterparts in terms of common themes such as math and hard sciences. This way we all can share practical knowledge and compete against each other in a healthy way which eventually will make us respect each other.
Bot you speak of free markets yet we need to solidify the foundation for such before we get shunted out because of our rotten attitudes. What do you think?
the REAL image is what's scary professor.



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Well to be fair and honest, I lived on both coasts and I travelled around the USA a lot on business and I feel I was treated better than anywhere in Britain, especially London. Londoners don't really like anyone, and the rest of the country hates Londoners. However, having lived in the US for several years and my accent reflecting that, when I returned home for holidays there were occasions where I received some specifically pointed sarcasm.
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I think this statement is pretty accurate, with one small modification, I dont think it's the "superiority" factor as much as it is that in general, ignorance. America is a superpower on the worlds stage, and what happens there effects the rest of the world (and we know it, thus the "superiority" thing I suppose) however, we (Americans) dont always make the effort to understand the country were in at the time (customs, do's/dont's etc). America has two oceans on either side of our country, for the last 200 years that's isolated us to a point, where as a large percentage of the world HAS to interact face to face with their neighbors. Take Norway for example, on one of my trips up there (short trip) I learned that most people under the age of 30 speak three languages. The native tounge, English, and French and or German. The US is fighting over teaching Spanish in schools - and over 30% of the US population are Spanish speakers.......
Excellent points, again it's education and we are not doing a great job at that. The no child left behind does not address qualitative issues but rather quantitative; it forces educator to push students through while learning nothing. The ones that want to learn find themselves in a corrupt environment and lose hope to ever reach their potential. I think Spanish should never be politicized and must become a must for all to learn just because we border Mexico let alone having a high Spanish speaking population in our country. We are in the midst of an evolutionary morphing as a country and Spanish is part of it.
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Not really, we are not bad people, we are misguided that's all
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Not really, we are not bad people, we are misguided that's all

i didn't say we're bad folks. actually on the contrary.. lot's of good peeps but rudeness and sky scraping nose can't be un-learned.. but we should try.



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