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I recall poll numbers in late 2004, which indicated a majority of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was complicit in the 9/11 attack. Those numbers were the result of a brilliant propaganda campaign orchestrated by the Bush administration. I suspect that future college textbooks will chronicle this campaign as learning tool for future generations.
Not if Dave gets his hand on writing history. From what I am getting from him is that it never happened that the people actually believed that Iraq was linked to 911 and that our government actually encouraged the perpetuation of this point along with FOX TV. Again Dave, you are still signed in as I am writing this and reading this thread, what's your answer before I log out?
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And there was an audience that believed him, are you going to deny that too Dave?
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dave, and 90% of our politicians are dipshits. no, obviously iraq wasn't responsible for the 9/11 attack. terrorist organizations were responsible. these organizations aren't based in one country and controlled by a government. therefore, our enemy when retaliating for 9/11 was non-existant. you can't (finacially and morally) invade all middle eastern countries to destroy an internet-based organization strung out over a continent, or even the world. the war on iraq is bullshit, becuase it really had no affiliation with that. it was picking out someone we don't like who seems like a potential threat to take out our retaliation on so bush goes down in history as a hero. but things didn't go that smooth. so yeah, we took out some people in iraq who don't like our american society, but if we had never influenced thier society in the first place, they wouldn't have a reason to hate us or even know what goes on in our country. and trust me.. we've spawned ALOT more anti-american individuals in iraq then there were before we invaded thier country. and dave, i'm neither religious, nor do i even claim a party in democracy, so don't assume i'm a "lib" just so you can try to take a shot at me. name calling doesn't do much of anything when i'm not affected by your perception of a positive or negative in the spectrum of democracy. the only reason your responding to this thread is to fuel your ego because nobody likes you. you tried.. you failed.. hmm.. sortta like bush? i see why you look up to him and suckle from his cock let's face it. your just another ignorant robotic product of the american media. so stfu, nub.
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Do you have any proof of the figures you cite?
Which one would you like? Maybe instead of 10s of thousand, I should have stated more than a hundred thousand per year.

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when coupled in with Haditha, Abu Garib and a million other unreported acts of cruelty committed by the US in this disasterous war.
Do you have any proof of the figure you site of a million?

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No, I meant in Iraq. Where are you getting your information on how many women in Iraq are being raped?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Oh I wasnt referring to how many are raped in Iraq. I was just trying to show that the occurance isn't/wasn't related to the war. That the crimes committed while repulsive and worthy of the death penalty are not just occuring over there. I thought I was clear on that but maybe not.

Destroyer140 was trying to relate the crimes as a cause and effect of the war itself, while I was trying to show its endemic to the world and the society that we live in.

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War provides an effective cover for lots of heinous crimes no one hears anything about.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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As I was saying.......

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/21/ira...tha/index.html

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hehehe, time to dig up some oldies to see where everyone strood, very nice.
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I finally read the whole 9 pages.

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Are you married? Do you have young daughters? Tell me the truth, how would you feel if someone walks into your house, rape and shot them?

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