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I'll bet some damn commie conservative put that there...
I understand their logic and as I said before, now that BOTH sides of the aisle are at the table, a fair and reasoned discussion of policy can take place. I personally think that folks [voters] will balk at sending over more people, especially Guard units that have cycled through for the third time already just to try and give a face saving plan legs. I don't think a timetable could be set that the Iraqis could deal with.

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Whether we pull out or stay we should do it with extreme force and conviction with absolute deadlines.

PS Can Iraq be split into three diferent countries again?
That is one of the "Plans" being discussed. The shiia and sunni don't want it particularly but the kurds would love it. They have wanted an independent Kurdistan for decades.

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You got that right!

Unions are only supported by dumbfucks
Unions are directly responsible for the Middle Class American that grew in the 1950-1980's. From that comes millions of folk who were able to go to college that would not have been able to before and that raised the standards of living for everyone. Survey the White Collar workforce today and most of those with 20 years or more went to school because their parents had union jobs and were able to save and sent them to school.

Louisville grew to its current size based on CWA, IBEW, Railroad,Ironworkers and UAW. If those three Unions had not been in Louisville for the past 50 years, Louisville would be half the size it is now. Its economy would be weaker there would be fewer Blue or White Collar jobs.

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I am not saying all unions are great but I have a family friend who is a director of an engineers union, and I wouldn't consider those people dumfuks... I actually did a report/presentation for one of my business management classes on the management practices of their union, and I was very impressed with what I learned, especially compared to how I have seen unions such as the auto workers union behave/negociate. Our trade policies don't really support balance or equality, so why should our labor forces play by any other rules?

Jon Malvo was a black man and sniper that murdered many people across our country, but I don't hold a grudge against all black folk, or black guys that are ex military.
There have, in the past been unions that have taken advantage of industry. The auto industry was the most blatant. Most unions, however are very strong professional organizations that know they must have the interests of both the members and the industry in mind if they are going to be viable.

Unions help protect workers who, by themselves are unable to either stand up to a problem management or to address a problem in a way that some of us can. Unions keep employers from abusing employees and keep employment practices in check so employees don’t fear retribution when they see an employer doing something wrong and stop it.

I fail to understand how someone can actually have anger against someone who is in a union or supports it. There is no logic or rational thinking associated with that. Wonder if there at least an explanation?

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The rich and greedy hate the unions, its that simple. Unions represent a means for the people they exploit to get a piece of the pie. Can't have that now, can we?

While the autoworkers got what they deserved, which is the unemployment line, there are all kinds of successful unions everywhere.

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Ummm, that was not a plan, it was a paragraph to start a discussion. It was intended to picture an "Absolute Extreme" choice only. If I prepared a plan [as I was taught at the Academy] it would take a bit longer than a paragraph.
Well it definitely "started a discussion." Because you tend toward the "absolute extreme" in most of your pontificating I just assumed this was your "plan..." Is that THE Academy where you learned to plan?

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I understand their logic and as I said before, now that BOTH sides of the aisle are at the table, a fair and reasoned discussion of policy can take place. I personally think that folks [voters] will balk at sending over more people, especially Guard units that have cycled through for the third time already just to try and give a face saving plan legs. I don't think a timetable could be set that the Iraqis could deal with.
Well at least the election has improved the tone of what I am hearing now. Not hearing nearly as much of that Cut-and-Run strategy/plan that used to permeate the atmosphere around here. Maybe that razor-thin "victory" you guys had will turn into more productive discussions here and in DC... We can only hope...

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That is one of the "Plans" being discussed. The shiia and sunni don't want it particularly but the kurds would love it. They have wanted an independent Kurdistan for decades.
Was that "plan" developed at THE Academy? Not surprisingly, my understanding of the situation is the opposite of yours--the Shiia and Sunni would love a partition, but the Kurds would not. In any event, the democratically elected and sovereign government of Iraq has already ruled that out. Moot point...

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Unions are directly responsible for the Middle Class American that grew in the 1950-1980's. From that comes millions of folk who were able to go to college that would not have been able to before and that raised the standards of living for everyone. Survey the White Collar workforce today and most of those with 20 years or more went to school because their parents had union jobs and were able to save and sent them to school.

Louisville grew to its current size based on CWA, IBEW, Railroad,Ironworkers and UAW. If those three Unions had not been in Louisville for the past 50 years, Louisville would be half the size it is now. Its economy would be weaker there would be fewer Blue or White Collar jobs.
Boy, is that a load of crappola!! Our Middle Class emerged in spite of the best efforts of the corrupt unions and their bosses to rape them--financially speaking that is. I'll bet the late great Jimmy Hoffa is one of you hero's. The only thing on their agenda these days is the distruction of the greatest corporate giant in the world (Wal-Mart). A corporation which, BTW, serves the very definition of middle class in this country and around the world. Unions are looking out for NO ONE but themselves!

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Well it definitely "started a discussion." Because you tend toward the "absolute extreme" in most of your pontificating I just assumed this was your "plan..." Is that THE Academy where you learned to plan?
Yes, Melman's Academy for Special Needs, no the other one...Air Force Academy. That one. With technology, tactics change but my guess is that we have a few nice 10 day extrication plans already on the table. The mid level guys [1star to Major] have to do them as part of their job even though the Rumsfeld level guys never want to see them or pretend they exist.

Why do you think I both "QUOTED" and "CAPPED" the question and led the paragraph with the word QUESTION???

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