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Next Target for US Style Democracy: Latin America

Apparently President Bush is not happy with the way "democracy" is taking hold in Latin America. He feels like it is his duty to reopen the can of worms we have hidden from view for the last twenty years (at least since the Contra affair).
The bottom line, we have proven over and over that we don't really believe in free elections that do not please us.
Thank you President Bush we need more bloodshed on the news, it's getting boring and Jayhawk wants some action or his pea brain will go stale.

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U.S. will train Latin American militaries
Ban lifted to offset trend toward left

By Barbara Slavin
USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Concern about leftist victories in Latin America has prompted President Bush to quietly grant a waiver that allows the United States to resume training militaries from 11 Latin American and Caribbean countries.
The administration hopes the training will forge links with countries in the region and blunt a leftward trend. Daniel Ortega, an adversary of the United States in the region during the 1980s, was elected president in Nicaragua this week. Bolivians chose another leftist, Evo Morales, last year.
A military training ban was originally designed to pressure countries into exempting U.S. soldiers from war crimes trials.
The 2002 U.S. law bars countries from receiving military aid and training if they refuse to promise immunity from prosecution to U.S. servicemembers who might get hauled before the International Criminal Court. The law allows presidential waivers.
The White House lifted the ban on 21 countries, about half in Latin America or the Caribbean, through a presidential memorandum Oct. 2 to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. The training is conducted in the USA.
A ban on giving countries weapons remains. Commercial arms sales are not affected, said Jose Ruiz, a U.S. Southern Command spokesman.
The training ban had resulted in a loss of U.S. influence in the region. The issue gained urgency after a string of leftist candidates came to power in Latin America.
On a trip to the region this year, Rice said that the impact of the ban had been “the same as shooting ourselves in the foot.”
China stepped into the gap. Ruiz said China “has approached every country in our area of responsibility” and has exchanged senior military officials with Ecuador, Bolivia, Chile and Cuba and provided military aid and training to Jamaica and Venezuela.
The ban remains in effect for some countries. Venezuela, whose fiery President Hugo Chávez is a critic of the Bush administration, remains ineligible because it is on a State Department list of countries alleged to have permitted the trafficking of women and children for sexual exploitation and forced labor.
Chávez is up for re-election in December and leads in the polls. Cuba is also off-limits because of a long-standing U.S. embargo against Fidel Castro's regime.
Ruiz said efforts are being made to transfer money this year to begin training foreign officers from eligible countries.
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Oh, that's worked so well in the past.

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wow, 100 years of fucking up South America and we are still trying... geeze we are dumb.

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A shift to the far left could easily happen right next door in Mexico. The richest of the Countries South of the US border, where not much 'trickles down.' All it would take is for a charismatic leader to promise something to all those who have nothing. The US Administration should do its best to influence a fundamental system change to benefit Mexico's poor, and stop its neighbor from exporting their social and economic problems to the US. The US should not pay for the education, health care and social programs that benefit illegal and undocumented aliens. Such programs should only be to the benefit of Citizens and legal aliens who contribute to US society. Retirees, who have contributed their entire working life only to see their benefits being cut deserve better.
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A shift to the far left could easily happen right next door in Mexico. The richest of the Countries South of the US border, where not much 'trickles down.' All it would take is for a charismatic leader to promise something to all those who have nothing. The US Administration should do its best to influence a fundamental system change to benefit Mexico's poor, and stop its neighbor from exporting their social and economic problems to the US. The US should not pay for the education, health care and social programs that benefit illegal and undocumented aliens. Such programs should only be to the benefit of Citizens and legal aliens who contribute to US society. Retirees, who have contributed their entire working life only to see their benefits being cut deserve better.
Cheers to that! America can't handle its own poor let alone mexico/S./C. america's

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The minute anything threatening happens in Mexico it will be annexed to the United States. It is inevitable anyway.

I find it incredibly ironic, after reading of the tremendous meddling by the Bushites in the Democratic elections of Central and South America that anyone can cry foul on Chavez.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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A shift to the far left could easily happen right next door in Mexico. The richest of the Countries South of the US border, where not much 'trickles down.' All it would take is for a charismatic leader to promise something to all those who have nothing. The US Administration should do its best to influence a fundamental system change to benefit Mexico's poor, and stop its neighbor from exporting their social and economic problems to the US. The US should not pay for the education, health care and social programs that benefit illegal and undocumented aliens. Such programs should only be to the benefit of Citizens and legal aliens who contribute to US society. Retirees, who have contributed their entire working life only to see their benefits being cut deserve better.
Dude, you just saw a shift to the Left in the US.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Dude, you just saw a shift to the Left in the US.
It's a very different Left, baby. You haven't seen "real" Left in all it's glory.

I have.
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Dude, you just saw a shift to the Left in the US.
Saw the Congress of the USA shift moderately left-word.

Saw the Democrat Party shift strongly toward the center. I wonder if Palosi can keep the cats herded in a direction she wants them to go.
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I saw the Republican Party shift so far to the right that the things all Democrats agree on is considered "Communist" by them. It may be "moderately leftward" in terms of the political spectrum, but in relation to the fascists who have been running this country, it might has well been the Russian Revolution.

Get ready for national health insurance, and a lot of Social Security reforms you ain't gonna like, along with stem cell research and a few other things like putting the final nails in the cofffin of "faith based" bullshit. These are things the majority of Americans want, and this time they are going to get them.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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