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These were crimes against humanity itself. Iraq is not a state of the United States, and its people are not its citizens. Someone needs to speak for the dead and the maimed of Iraq. That is the job of the International Tribunal. To Americans, dead Iraqis have never been much more than dead road kill anyway. These people deserve simple human justice.
I agree completely. You, FTL, will be the first tried in the world tribunal according to universal Sharia law. Then your throat will be cut by the sword and your last bloody breaths will gurgle and hiss as you lose consciousness.

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Oh, go fuck yourself. Fucking whiner.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Oh, go fuck yourself. Fucking whiner.
So you agree, right?

First Rummy gets tried by The Hague, then you get tried by A Mosque.

Justice, right?
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You lost. Get over it.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Explain to me how relinquishing our sovereignty helps the United States and its citizens?
You shitting me?. Putting up the Bush administration will make us save face to the rest of the world. Now I was hoping with the last Presidential election this would do but they voted for this son of a bitch again (fixed?) because of his stupid albeit highly effective scare tactics. Bush/Cheney/Rice need to go down!.
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So you agree, right?

First Rummy gets tried by The Hague, then you get tried by A Mosque.

Justice, right?
To hell with Rumsfield and you. How can you STILL support this ASSHOLE!.
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To hell with Rumsfield and you. How can you STILL support this ASSHOLE!.
I simply don't support your suicide pact with those who want us dead.

The former SecDef has nothing to do with this.

You want him stripped of his protections as an American citizen, just like Al Quaeda would like to subject you to their justice.

So STFU and get on a plane to Tora Bora for your trial.
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I do not want to see the neocons dragged out on a world stage. That would do the USA no good. Bush and Co. are our problem and we will handle it ouselves, by making sure history bookmarks him for the accidental, simple, monster that he was. The democrats have the upper hand and if they are smart they will keep it for years instead of blowing all their newfound righteousness away just like the neocons did after 9-11. If the dems are too aggressive they will lose the upper hand.
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At least the DEMS have Chavez agreeing with them on this point

Chávez attacks Bush as a 'genocidal' leaderVenezuela's president continued his criticism of President Bush after the pro-Chávez legislature declared that the 9/11 attacks were `self-inflicted.'

BY PHIL GUNSON

CARACAS - When Venezuela's leftist President Hugo Chávez called President Bush ''the devil'' in a U.N. speech in September, many thought his ''anti-imperialist'' rhetoric had reached rock bottom.

But fresh depths have since been plumbed. The Venezuelan government, to judge from recent events, officially regards Bush as a genocidal Nazi who arranged the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks to justify aggression against other nations.

In a speech Tuesday, Chávez criticized the decision of an Iraqi court to sentence former dictator Saddam Hussein to the death penalty. ''If sentencing is to be done,'' Chávez said, ``the first one to be given the most severe sentence this planet has to offer should be the president of the United States, if we're talking about genocidal presidents.''

RESOLUTION ON 9/11

His comments, which were fairly typical of his recent attacks on Bush, came shortly after the publication of a resolution by Venezuela's legislative National Assembly describing the 9/11 attacks as ''self-inflicted'' and after an exhibition at the Foreign Ministry building in Caracas in which Bush was portrayed as a Nazi storm trooper.

The resolution, which appeared in the official government gazette in mid-October, primarily criticized Washington's decision to build a wall along the Mexican border to keep illegal immigrants out.

But in its fourth paragraph, it calls on the U.S. Congress to ``demand that the government of President Bush explain the self-inflicted attack on the World Trade Center and its victims, the supposed aircraft that crashed into the Pentagon and the links between the bin Laden family and the Bush family.''

The resolution, drafted by the deputy chairman of the Foreign Affairs Commission, Carlos Escarrá, was passed unanimously by the 167-member assembly, all of them Chávez supporters after an opposition boycott of elections last December.

Both Chávez and Foreign Minister Nicolás Maduro have referred several times in the past to suspicions that the 9/11 attacks were planned by the Bush administration, and have called for an inquiry.

But this appears to be the first time that the term ''self-inflicted attack'' has been used without qualification.

Asked how the legislature had reached that conclusion, Escarrá said that ''evidence and testimonies'' had emerged in the United States and that ''for the rest of the world, there is no longer any question'' that 9/11 was not an al Qaeda attack.

About the time the lawmakers were approving the resolution, an exhibition called ''Truths About the Empire'' was on display in the foyer of the Foreign Ministry. It included a photo montage showing Bush dressed in the uniform of the German SS.

The exhibition was removed after a reporter for a U.S. newspaper asked to photograph it. A U.S. diplomat, who asked for anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record about the issue, said the display was ``an insult to the 400,000 Americans who died in World War II fighting the Nazis.''

Escarrá said the comparison might indeed be considered unfair -- but to Hitler, not to Bush. ''Hitler was a babe in arms compared to Bush,'' he asserted. He added that just like Hitler, Bush had ``an extermination plan.''

'LARGE' DIFFERENCES

U.S. Ambassador William Brownfield told a Venezuelan radio station last week that differences between the two governments were ''large, broad and deep'' and were unlikely to disappear.

It is a view shared by Escarrá, who told The Miami Herald that Bush ''defends the most outdated, the most radical form of capitalism'' and added that it was evident to the whole world that the U.S. ``empire is in decline.''

Chávez insists that it is Bush, rather than the main opposition contender, Manuel Rosales, who is his true adversary in the Dec. 3 presidential election. The opposition, he argues, is merely puppets of the United States.

He has also often claimed that Washington has plans to invade Venezuela, assassinate him and install a government more in accordance with U.S. interests. Washington has dismissed his allegations as fabrications.

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I get it -- you want to relinquish the sovereignty of our nation and bend to international will, I do not. You want to do to the U.S. president, what we did to Manuel Noriega. As satisfying as it would be to see the members of this cabal, or at least Bush, pay a price for their disservice to our nation and the world, I don't see how putting a U.S. president on such an international stage will do anything but harm to our nation. If Bush is to be punished, it is we who should punish him.
It is not "what I want", just my opinion of the landscape.
We gave up our right to sovereignty on the Iraq issue the second the first bomb of Shock and Awe hit the ground. We utilized the UN as a vehicle to build the “Coalition of the Willing” and placed us squarely in the International stage. We put prisoners in Gitmo and moved them around in different countries that were “conducive” to our needs. We violated the Geneva Conventions.

This administration placed itself on the International stage through these processes and actions. IF we broke INTERNATIONAL LAW, and many International Law scholars believe we did, it is not up to us, the US, the Administration or the Department of Justice to decide whether or not we relinquish sovereignty.

While we have the right to "punish" Bush for actions he may have done here, I truly fear that where he is going to be judged is not in Congress, or just by History. He may skate but will be judged by proxy if World Court goes after the big players as they step down or their terms expire. Remember, we wrote many of those Prosecutorial procedures that are going to be used against us.

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