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post #71 of 72 (permalink) Old 11-10-2006, 06:58 PM
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If Bush "lied" about WMD's in Iraq as you so often claim, so did the leaders of a dozen or so other governments.

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The leaders of a dozen or so other nations did not whip up their countries into a frenzy to invade Iraq over the claims that Iraq had WMD. In fact, the leaders of most of our long time, meaningful allies said just the opposite, even though their intelligence agencies contributed to the body of bum dope used to sell the WMD argument to the American Congress.

There are no other countries that did what we did, and in the UN we only had the "coalition of those willing to be bought and paid for" and England on our side. The rest of the world, including free democracies that normally support reasonable and rational American initiatives, told us to let the weapons inspectors finish their job. Our government engaged in a "smear" the UN and the weapons inspectors campaign to discredit their findings before they could provide them.

To keep quoting that line is misleading. You may believe it, but it is not even close to the whole story. The US, as well as no other modern democracy, is run by their intelligence organizations. And the manner intelligence data is gathered and processed was never included to put any of these bits of intelligence data into a context of how they should be valued. That was done by our government, using our intelligence agencies, to make a case. That was misleading.

We need to get on with business now. Let the inquiries into how this shit happened continue to probe the records. It has to be done to prevent another such event, whether it was abuse of power by the executive branch or just plain incompetence in our intelligence agencies. Jim
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Uhhh . . . about that lie about Rumsfeld thing . . . do ya think if the majorities in Congress had been preserved (ie - if the message from the voters hadn't been so obvious) that Bush woulda canned Rumsfeld anyway? I'm betting it would then have been the truth . . .
I believe you are precisely right.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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