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In this debate, cliche internet pictures is about all you have left. The American People have crushed your fascist ideals and destroyed your party's ability to torture prisoners and spy on the American People. You have failed. Welcome to irrelevency.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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You are right about that!

Is Soddy Daisy a real place? Tell us about the name...
Yep, just north of Chattanooga, TN. Used to be two towns, Soddy and Daisy, then they had a war, and Soddy won.
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For the fascists, the dangers presented by Janis is not her testimony, it is whether or not she has hard evidence. Written orders. Communiques. Things like that. ...
Absolutely right.

Here's some of what Seymore Hersch, that well-known lackey of Vice President Cheney, had to say in the New Yorker about Gen Karpinsky.



The problems inside the Army prison syste in Iraq were not hidden from senio commanders. During Karpinski’s seven-mont tour of duty, Taguba noted, there were at least dozen officially reported incidents involvin escapes, attempted escapes, and other seriou security issues that were investigated by officer of the 800th M.P. Brigade. Some of th incidents had led to the killing or wounding o inmates and M.P.s, and resulted in a series of “lessons learned” inquiries within the brigade Karpinski invariably approved the reports an signed orders calling for changes in day-to-da procedures. But Taguba found that she did no follow up, doing nothing to insure that th orders were carried out. Had she done so, h added, “cases of abuse may have bee prevented.

General Taguba further found that Abu Ghraib was filled beyond capacity, and that the M.P. guard force was significantly undermanned and short of resources. “This imbalance has contributed to the poor living conditions, escapes, and accountability lapses,” he wrote. There were gross differences, Taguba said, between the actual number of prisoners on hand and the number officially recorded. A lack of proper screening also meant that many innocent Iraqis were wrongly being detained—indefinitely, it seemed, in some cases. The Taguba study noted that more than sixty per cent of the civilian inmates at Abu Ghraib were deemed not to be a threat to society, which should have enabled them to be released. Karpinski’s defense, Taguba said, was that her superior officers “routinely” rejected her recommendations regarding the release of such prisoners.

Karpinski was rarely seen at the prisons she was supposed to be running, Taguba wrote. He also found a wide range of administrative problems, including some that he considered “without precedent in my military career.” The soldiers, he added, were “poorly prepared and untrained . . . prior to deployment, at the mobilization site, upon arrival in theater, and throughout the mission.”

General Taguba spent more than four hours interviewing Karpinski, whom he described as extremely emotional: “What I found particularly disturbing in her testimony was her complete unwillingness to either understand or accept that many of the problems inherent in the 800th MP Brigade were caused or exacerbated by poor leadership and the refusal of her command to both establish and enforce basic standards and principles among its soldiers.”

Taguba recommended that Karpinski and seven brigade military-police officers and enlisted men be relieved of command and formally reprimanded. No criminal proceedings were suggested for Karpinski; apparently, the loss of promotion and the indignity of a public rebuke were seen as enough punishment.
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