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Yesterday at the shop there were eight guys between 18 and 30 working on a Supra. A couple of their girlfriends were with them which put the total group at 13 with me there working on my 500E. [i let them use my shop lift]. A political ad came on and one nearly screamed about hating the advertisement. That started the converstation on Politics and Voting.

I asked who was going to be voting on Tuesday and the answer shocked me when everyone said NOT ME. I asked why and the answers were all over the board but mainly it was perceived disenfranchisement and a feeling that no matter what they did or for whom they voted, it did not matter. Their beliefs spread over both parties so it was not a question of disillusionment from one party.

My only advise as the ‘old fart’ of the group was to learn the issues, find someone that they could try and trust and VOTE. The only way to change the system is from the inside.

My only advice as to WHO to vote for was one State Senator who I have known since he was 16. He is batshit crazy but has a brilliant mind and clear thinking. My bet is that maybe 2 of the 12 will vote.

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Which goes to prove that if MTV actually played "Music", perhaps kids would watch, and ergo, be compelled to vote Democrat by the incessant "Rock the Vote" campaigns.

Or did they 86 that?
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Yesterday at the shop there were eight guys between 18 and 30 working on a Supra. A couple of their girlfriends were with them which put the total group at 13 with me there working on my 500E. [i let them use my shop lift]. A political ad came on and one nearly screamed about hating the advertisement. That started the converstation on Politics and Voting.

I asked who was going to be voting on Tuesday and the answer shocked me when everyone said NOT ME. I asked why and the answers were all over the board but mainly it was perceived disenfranchisement and a feeling that no matter what they did or for whom they voted, it did not matter. Their beliefs spread over both parties so it was not a question of disillusionment from one party.

My only advise as the ‘old fart’ of the group was to learn the issues, find someone that they could try and trust and VOTE. The only way to change the system is from the inside.

My only advice as to WHO to vote for was one State Senator who I have known since he was 16. He is batshit crazy but has a brilliant mind and clear thinking. My bet is that maybe 2 of the 12 will vote.
Sounds about right. It's an inherited thing, too. My folks took voting seriously, same with my wife's folks. My wife & I both take it seriously and have rarely missed an election of any sort. We took our kids with us to vote from when they were toddlers and now 2/3 of them are voting-aged and they will be in the booth tomorrow, making-up their own minds in the secrecy and privacy of the voting booth. I have never asked them how they will vote but have reminded them frequently about their civic duty.

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Yesterday at the shop there were eight guys between 18 and 30 working on a Supra. A couple of their girlfriends were with them which put the total group at 13 with me there working on my 500E. [i let them use my shop lift]. A political ad came on and one nearly screamed about hating the advertisement. That started the converstation on Politics and Voting.

I asked who was going to be voting on Tuesday and the answer shocked me when everyone said NOT ME. I asked why and the answers were all over the board but mainly it was perceived disenfranchisement and a feeling that no matter what they did or for whom they voted, it did not matter. Their beliefs spread over both parties so it was not a question of disillusionment from one party.

My only advise as the ‘old fart’ of the group was to learn the issues, find someone that they could try and trust and VOTE. The only way to change the system is from the inside.

My only advice as to WHO to vote for was one State Senator who I have known since he was 16. He is batshit crazy but has a brilliant mind and clear thinking. My bet is that maybe 2 of the 12 will vote.
My kids vote in every election, even primaries! I don't think the disenfranchisement argument holds up, except in small and usually young parts of the population.

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Here in Arkansas we have early voting in addition to the Tuesday scramble.
It runs for about 2 weeks prior and includes 2 Saturdays. No excuses about not being able to get off work/school/busy.

Now stupid is a different story, if you don't have a clue about the people running or the issues they represent, please stay home.

As the Democrats here say "vote early - vote often", or if your dead and your obit ran in the paper -- your vote is Democrat.
We don't need no stinking voter ID!!!!!

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this tuesday crap needs to go. if it were on a saturday there wouldn't be nearly as many problems with getting off work, school, etc.
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My kids vote in every election, even primaries! I don't think the disenfranchisement argument holds up, except in small and usually young parts of the population.
Bullshit. Bot has this one right. You grow up in a home where voting is not considered optional, and you vote, and your kids get the same experience and they vote. Pretty simple. Jim
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Bullshit. Bot has this one right. You grow up in a home where voting is not considered optional, and you vote, and your kids get the same experience and they vote. Pretty simple. Jim
Not sure why the "BS." I think we are on the same page Smith...

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Yesterday at the shop there were eight guys between 18 and 30 working on a Supra. A couple of their girlfriends were with them which put the total group at 13 with me there working on my 500E. [i let them use my shop lift]. A political ad came on and one nearly screamed about hating the advertisement. That started the converstation on Politics and Voting.

I asked who was going to be voting on Tuesday and the answer shocked me when everyone said NOT ME. I asked why and the answers were all over the board but mainly it was perceived disenfranchisement and a feeling that no matter what they did or for whom they voted, it did not matter. Their beliefs spread over both parties so it was not a question of disillusionment from one party.

My only advise as the ‘old fart’ of the group was to learn the issues, find someone that they could try and trust and VOTE. The only way to change the system is from the inside.

My only advice as to WHO to vote for was one State Senator who I have known since he was 16. He is batshit crazy but has a brilliant mind and clear thinking. My bet is that maybe 2 of the 12 will vote.
So true. The majority has stopped believing in 'by the people, for the people' and given up on the political process.
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