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View Poll Results: What are your predictions for the mid terms?
Dems win House 12 60.00%
Dems win Senate 7 35.00%
Republicans keep the House 9 45.00%
Republicans keep the Senate 14 70.00%
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It is difficult to even have these discussions, because the concepts we are discussing have been become extremely fluid. In a pure sense, communism is nothing like fascism, but in the practical realm of real life experience, so-called communist regimes have succumbed to fascism as a result of corrupt leadership. In the same light, it's difficult to agree on what conservatism is. To me, conservatism = Goldwater conservatism = libertarianism.

Well, often we don't realize we are dealing with some men of great genius here. Bush is simply a front man, a stooge for three very smart men - Karl Rove, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. The key brilliance of their operations can be described in one word: hijack. They have brillantly hijacked major portions of the electorate, telling each one they are part of a "conservative" movement, and talked each one into debasing their own core beliefs, skillfully providing them the rationales to do so. Botnst, the Libertarian, finds himself a diehard supporter of a president who blatantly hijacks a chunk of the elderly electorate with a big government prescription drug program. Millions of Americans who would only support wars of national defense plastered their cars with yellow ribbons and convinced themselves we were the good guys as we murdered the people of Iraq. The inclusion of the religious nuts horrified Goldwater, but somehow they became "conservative", and sold out Christ in the process. It is a strange and bizarre coalition. If it lives past next Tuesday, we are in deep shit.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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This follow up with accompanying related study is also interesting:


http://neuropolitics.org/defaultapr06.asp
Not a very flattering depiction of liberals, whom the authors of the study basically present as Have-nots who favor more government in order to level the playing field with the Haves (conservatives). There is also a substantial measure or ruling class/worker class thrown in. An interesting, but uncomfortable read.

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Hard to keep up with the changing Liberal and Conservative name tags. Wouldn't it be nice to drop them entirely? I am pegged a lib but I want lower taxes, less gov't, and better education through our reduction of military spending. This would likely hurt the economy since the machinery in place does not support this. I believe in saving something for our future gens.
Hey, I take a lot of critizism on this, but I think it is obvious that a true American Fascist movement has taken hold in this country. Cheney is in charge of it, he plays the coalition of, as was true in Germany, suckers for the most part, like cello. They have simply virtualized a great deal of the philosophy to disguise it, and have accepted that they will occasionally be out of power, during which time their massive smear machine, just as Hitler's did, will make it impossible for the opposition to govern, as they almost did under Clinton. They will get better at it. The idea is to institute a government of the corporations - as I said above, classic Italian Fascism. If we don't stop it, our children will be slaves.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address

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Not a very flattering depiction of liberals, whom the authors of the study basically present as Have-nots who favor more government in order to level the playing field with the Haves (conservatives). There is also a substantial measure or ruling class/worker class thrown in. An interesting, but uncomfortable read.
If the truth be known, I tend to agree. I've always been more of person who is looking for some kind of logical synthesis between these two movements. Perhaps I am idealistic, but I simply believe there are socialist components that will deliver benefits to both society and business, and capitalist components that will do the same. We have had leadership very infrequently that sees that. I suppose I am more of a Moralist - I want whatever benefits people the most without making life lose its competive zest, that satisfies the requirements of fairness and morality. I also think requirements change with the times. If I have it gauged right, I think the times are about to change to the left.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address

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I found this paragraph very interesting:
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While we had a significant number of responses indicating logic (in green), fMRI evidence has found that "logical" neural networks, while activated by political topics, are heavily integrated with the highly emotional "limbic" networks. "Logical" and "emotional" neural networks are hard to separate even during pure mathematical reasoning, let alone the emotionally charged "political" cognition. Our current interpretation is that the logic response is more closely related to reward-seeking. However, we must state that we have no current direct evidence for this presumption.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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I have read behavioral studies which clearly imply that the "logical decision" is a myth. A certain type of brain damage in humans results in a single and easily diagnosed condition -- the complete loss of emotional response. Individuals thus afflicted behave normally in many situations and seem more than able to cope with society and the world around them. However, their affliction has a debilitating consequence -- the inability to make decisions. They tend to endlessly debate pros and cons of the choices available and are unable to choose. It may sound funny, even inconsequential, but in fact, it's a debilitating condition that often requires these individuals to be institutionalized.

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I have read behavioral studies which clearly imply that the "logical decision" is a myth. A certain type of brain damage in humans results in a single and easily diagnosed condition -- the complete loss of emotional response. Individuals thus afflicted behave normally in many situations and seem more than able to cope with society and the world around them. However, their affliction has a debilitating consequence -- the inability to make decisions. They tend to endlessly debate pros and cons of the choices available and are unable to choose. It may sound funny, even inconsequential, but in fact, it's a debilitating condition that often requires these individuals to be institutionalized.
Well then you ALL know what this means, beyond a shadow of a doubt the greatest country in the world is in the best hands possible because

We have "The Decider" in charge. Do you think we coud change the laws and let GWB run for a 3rd term?
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Did I just describe hypernuancism?

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