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That's exactly right. And the chances are very high that I won't read a book that has scenes of sexual intercourse between adults and children.

But like I said, I don't want anything censored. people should be able to choose for themselves what they wish to read.

Tell me what is there about my position on that which is in conflict with libertarianism. I honestly don't understand your comment about that.

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You join in the condemnation of this man without knowing the context, theme or point of the novel. You take a few sentences and classify his as a promoter of kiddie porn. Anyone with any type of education knows that the most powerful novels contain scenes that can be graphic and disturbing. The appeal to ignorance in Allen's attack is despicable. Webb is one of the great writers of the age, his book "Fields of Fire" is a masterpiece. To attempt to crucify him over writing powerful novels is beneath contempt.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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It's been so long since I screwed around with drugs that I had to look-up "neuroleptics" before I could be fully offended, though I suspected that I should probably be offended first. So I was somewhat predisposed to be offended.

Damn-I keep forgetting my ;-) and your sensitivity. Would you be kind enough to bank these for future reference. Thanks awfully!

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So this guy writes books about women humping bananas and fathers going down on their children,laden with racial epithets, then runs for an elected office, and somehow the issue is Karl Rove's fault?
He is describing things he witnessed in Asia. He is portraying characters, making a portrait of a person in words, with dialogue of real people. Apparently the kiddie blow job is common in rural Asian communities and is not considered sexual in their culture, in fact while surfing the web I find numerous articles on newly arrived Cambodians arrested for it, along with Africans who are unaware that the tribal custom of patting daughters on their vaginas will get you ten years in America. Web is simply describing the world we live in. That is what a novelist does for a living. For Rove to engineer this smear based on what is considered one of the highest endeavors of humanity, writing great literature, is despicable.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Look at how you chopped off half of what he said, just like Drudge did:

"Democrat Webb says Boy's penis in father's mouth is not sexual act.....right" when even the right wing hit piece you posted states that Webb said:

"Democrat Webb says Boy's penis in father's mouth is not sexual act in the Cambodian culture".

You take what he said out of context in order to change the meaning of what he said, to make it look like he is advocating this. You are lower and slimier than snail shit.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Media Reviews

Publishers Weekly
"Webb's cultural and political portrayal of Vietnam 25 years after the war's end is delivered with such bold strokes and magical detail.... This is a highly personal and empathetic look at today's Vietnam.... This detailed, lovingly drawn portrait of Vietnam reveals a sad, tortured country that has never recovered from the horrifying events of a quarter-century ago."

Senator John McCain
"James Webb's new novel paints a portrait of a modern Vietnam charged with hopes for the future but haunted by the ghosts of its war-torn past. It captures well the lingering scars of the war, and exposes the tension between the dynamism of a new generation and the invisible bondage of an older generation for whom wartime allegiances, and animosities, are rendered no less vivid by the passage of time. A novel of revenge and redemption that tells us much about both where Vietnam is headed and where it has been."

Walter Anderson, Chairman and Publisher, Parade Magazine
"A masterpiece, one of the most poignant and powerful novels of this generation ... Lost Soldiers is one of those rare books that is not only a beautifully realized literary triumph but also a crackling good page-turner. Its seamless blend of mystery and intrigue, with its subtle truths of history and culture and its stories of love and honor played out by unforgettable characters, is nothing short of miraculous. Jim Webb did not set out to write a healing book, but that is what he has done. I suspect Lost Soldiers can bring my country together after years of debate and division --- and it took a warrior to write it. You will come away a different person after you've read it."
Add Botnst, self appointed Libertarian Party Official Political Correctness Officer:
"...How old should people be before they read novels with man-boy love in them? How much of that stuff is okay? Just once on one page? Wouldn't want to judge a man by what he writes sufficiently interesting to write about it. Like say, Mein Kampf. Wouldn't want to judge the author of that book too harshly...."

And, when questioned on whether or not he even had to read the book to cough up such beligerently politically correct phlegm with the following, slightly less than politically correct, query - "In other words, you haven't read this particular book, and don't know a fucking thing about it." Botnst very politically correctly replied:

"That's exactly right. And the chances are very high that I won't read a book that has scenes of sexual intercourse between adults and children."

Given the politically correct selection of books you apparently read, I am beginning to guess you haven't read much other than comics and other stuff specifically written for mushy minds that are destroyed by exposure to the less than politically correct world that exists outside the one America tries to create for children. Jim
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Look at how you chopped off half of what he said, just like Drudge did:

"Democrat Webb says Boy's penis in father's mouth is not sexual act.....right" when even the right wing hit piece you posted states that Webb said:

"Democrat Webb says Boy's penis in father's mouth is not sexual act in the Cambodian culture".

You take what he said out of context in order to change the meaning of what he said, to make it look like he is advocating this. You are lower and slimier than snail shit.
I don't think that was actually offensive to this guy, FTL. He lives in a country where he has to pay no US taxes, still gets to vote I imagine, and can buy human companionship for a pack of gum every day. And he thinks he is a Republican for some reason. Must be that his paid for companions are underage and male. Jim
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Maybe he's a Foley 'advance man' for that next 'fact finding trip'. One good smear deserves another.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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You join in the condemnation of this man without knowing the context, theme or point of the novel. You take a few sentences and classify his as a promoter of kiddie porn. Anyone with any type of education knows that the most powerful novels contain scenes that can be graphic and disturbing. The appeal to ignorance in Allen's attack is despicable. Webb is one of the great writers of the age, his book "Fields of Fire" is a masterpiece. To attempt to crucify him over writing powerful novels is beneath contempt.
Calm down, pal. Just as I believe people should be unimpeded in what they think and write, so to should people be able to form and express their opinions on what other people put into the public domain. That's part of freedom of expression, too.

If you will read what I actually said, please take note that I didn't condemn the author. Nor did I call him a pornographer. That's you talking, not me.

Did I mischaracterize the interaction that I read about, in which it has been reported taht the author describes a grown man sucking the cock of a child? Would you assert that it is a positive portrayal of man-boy relations?

Or are you like the Foley defenders who say that what he did was okay because he actually broke no laws? I mean, all Foley did was put his fantasy in writing. Some dumb-asses will protect anybody who is a party member.

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Damn-I keep forgetting my ;-) and your sensitivity. Would you be kind enough to bank these for future reference. Thanks awfully!

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Naw, this time I saw it coming. I hate those damn emoticon thingies as to me they are a lazy substitute for clear writing. The downside of not using them is that sometimes one fails in conveying complex emotions and more especially, ironical humor. Other times, the reader maybe too lazy to read carefully or so emotionally involved in a discussion that the reader fails in his duty.

Anyway, screw-it. That last time I failed to read your message correctly and was embarrassed by my failure, I determined that I wouldn't do that again until the next time. If not sooner.

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Calm down, pal. Just as I believe people should be unimpeded in what they think and write, so to should people be able to form and express their opinions on what other people put into the public domain. That's part of freedom of expression, too.
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But it is ok with you if the opinions are based on never reading the material in the public domain because it has what you consider kiddie-porn in it? While the right to do so exists, what is the point if to other than impose a style of censorship based on political correctness?
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If you will read what I actually said, please take note that I didn't condemn the author. Nor did I call him a pornographer. That's you talking, not me.
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For some of us, "man-boy love" is about the same as kiddie porn, and while you didn't actually call the man a pornographer, you did characterize his book as pornography with your politically correct, intellectually empty assault, starting with "I think everybody should write novels about having sexual relationships with children. As Mrs Clinton was fond of saying, do it for the chidlren."
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Did I mischaracterize the interaction that I read about, in which it has been reported taht the author describes a grown man sucking the cock of a child? Would you assert that it is a positive portrayal of man-boy relations?
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Not having read the book, it might have been more rational and intellectually honest than just pumping up the political correctness machinery and launching into suppositions about the quote having been put into the book for purely prurient intersts to have said nothing. Instead you still insist it is a man-boy cocksucking story. There may come a day when another culture looks back on our "medical" practice of having a male doctor cut the ends of male babies penises off as grotesque. In this case the act is not something I claim to understand, but it is also something that apparently happens in another culture I have no need to fix with my politically correct, America Ueber Alles, standards of conduct. They seem to survive as a culture.
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Or are you like the Foley defenders who say that what he did was okay because he actually broke no laws? I mean, all Foley did was put his fantasy in writing. Some dumb-asses will protect anybody who is a party member.
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Foley has been stripped of his position of authority and moral leadership. To his credit, he did it himself and immediately upon being confronted with his obviously out of bounds behavior unlike many other politicians in similarly compromised positions. What else happens to Foley is up to the courts. The issue at hand is protecting those in the Party who knew and did nothing, if there are such people. To suggest all this Foley "support" is for Foley is misleading. It is to save the hides of the scumbags who are implicated, as, if Foley did nothing really wrong, then not doing anything to stop him is really, well, ok, right?

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